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Another pedigree thread - sorry...but I'd like to learn more about my boys.

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  • Another pedigree thread - sorry...but I'd like to learn more about my boys.

    I am always facinated by these threads b/c I know nothing about pedigree. I know you don't ride the pedigree - but I would love some background/insight on my two boys. What's good, bad, etc, just anything.

    Got this one two years ago, and he's an amazing mover, kind, forgiving, loves to work and he's turning into my once in a lifetime horse - he has far more talent than me! And his name is perfect for him - very cheerful, in your pocket pony:

    http://www.pedigreequery.com/mr+sun

    This guy I just picked up about 6 weeks ago here in Indiana - I haven't done much, but so far he seems very quiet and a nice mover:

    http://www.pedigreequery.com/noble+jones
    Last edited by Hollywood; Dec. 7, 2009, 12:25 PM.

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    You could get their lifetime racing histories for $5 each from the Daily Racing Form's Past Performance page.

    If they won any races you could contact the tracks where they won and ask for win photos.
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      Originally posted by WhiteCamry View Post
      You could get their lifetime racing histories for $5 each from the Daily Racing Form's Past Performance page.

      If they won any races you could contact the tracks where they won and ask for win photos.
      Thanks WhiteCamry - I do have their past performance history. Mr. Sun had a long career and lots of start, he did win some races, I would love to have some pictures of him in his day!

      As for Noble Jones - lightly raced but never won or placed.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Hollywood View Post
        he has Northern Dancer on his sire's side - very good bloodline! Can't see anything I recognise on the dam's side.


        Can't really see anything I know is this horse's bloodlines ...
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        • #5
          I recognize good lines on both horses.
          What is most interesting is the variation of lines to those pedigrees we normally see.
          Not saying it is good or bad - just unusual. As stated before - some of the names I recognize, just have no true knowledge of them. Am interested in others' comments.
          "Never do anything that you have to explain twice to the paramedics."
          Courtesy my cousin Tim

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            #6
            Originally posted by fooler View Post
            I recognize good lines on both horses.
            What is most interesting is the variation of lines to those pedigrees we normally see.
            Not saying it is good or bad - just unusual. As stated before - some of the names I recognize, just have no true knowledge of them. Am interested in others' comments.
            Fooler - that's why I am kind of interested too - In Mr. Sun I recognize Northern Dancer fairly well, and then some others i've seen before, but no knowledge of them.

            Then on Noble Jones, again I receognize some names, but I have no knowledge.

            I guess really, none of it necessarily matters b/c they are both good ponies and seem suited to me, but I get people that ask what their breeding is, and I just give them a blank stare :-). So I thought it might be good to ask others that know a heck of alot more!

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            • #7
              I have one that is tail male Grey Dawn/Herbarger. Unfortunately he was injured at three, but he is an amazing mover. Naturally balanced - he would have found upper level dressage easy.

              Christa
              Last edited by Christa P; Dec. 7, 2009, 05:59 PM.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Hollywood View Post
                Fooler - that's why I am kind of interested too - In Mr. Sun I recognize Northern Dancer fairly well, and then some others i've seen before, but no knowledge of them.

                Then on Noble Jones, again I receognize some names, but I have no knowledge.

                I guess really, none of it necessarily matters b/c they are both good ponies and seem suited to me, but I get people that ask what their breeding is, and I just give them a blank stare :-). So I thought it might be good to ask others that know a heck of alot more!
                Lines I know & like for Mr. Sun:
                The Northern Dancer & Native Dancer lines tend to be sound, tough horses.
                Copper Dawn goes back to Mahmoud, Hyperion and Polynesian lines - both found in good event horses I know
                Forward Gal has similar breeding plus John P. Grier (the only horse to push Man O' War) & Man O' War, thru Flight Bird she has Teddy & The Tetrarch
                The Dam's line has the above lines
                In short very nicely bred, tho some inbreeding - but a nice cross of US & European blood lines.
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                • #9
                  Noble Jones goes back to Ribot:
                  Owner: Lydia Tesio & Mario della Rocchetta
                  Breeder: Federico Tesio
                  Winnings: 16 Starts: 16 - 0 - 0, $294,414

                  At 2: Won Gran Criterium
                  At 3: Won Gran Premio del Jockey Club, Prix de l'Arc de Triomphe
                  At 4: Won Prix de l'Arc de Triomphe, Gran Premio di Milano, K. George VI & Q. Elizabeth Stakes
                  Italian 2-YO Champion Colt (1954)
                  Italian 3-YO Champion Colt (1955)
                  Italian Champion Older Horse (1956)
                  United Kingdom Champion Older Horse (1956)
                  France Champion Older Horse (1956)
                  Leading sire in Great Britain & Ireland (1963, 1967, 1968)
                  Also is similarly bred to Mr. Sun. Includes 2 Triple Crown winners, Count Fleet (The Tetrarch) & War Admiral (Man O' War). Turn-To & Somethingroyal produced nice offspring
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                  • #10
                    Noble Jones has Fappiano, which IIRC is a good one to have in a sport-horse pedigree.

                    I'm surprised to hear that about Northern Dancer/Native Dancer. They're not really known for soundness for racing (though they get fast sprinters), and Native Dancer's son Raise a Native is currently the prime suspect (as he's in something like 85% of current racers' lines) for weak ankles a la Eight Belles. RaN at least isn't a name you want to see come up more than once in the first five generations.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by fooler View Post
                      Native Dancer lines tend to be sound, tough horses.
                      Really? I thought the whole controversy over Eight Belles breaking down at the Derby in 2008 was because she had so much Native Dancer blood in her pedigree and many of his progeny are unsound (or at least many TBs today with ND in their pedigree can have soundness issues.) At least I remember reading about it in the papers and on the Forums.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by danceronice View Post
                        Noble Jones has Fappiano, which IIRC is a good one to have in a sport-horse pedigree.

                        I'm surprised to hear that about Northern Dancer/Native Dancer. They're not really known for soundness for racing (though they get fast sprinters), and Native Dancer's son Raise a Native is currently the prime suspect (as he's in something like 85% of current racers' lines) for weak ankles a la Eight Belles. RaN at least isn't a name you want to see come up more than once in the first five generations.
                        The Northern Dancer/Native Dancer horses I have met have been sound. Possibly becuase they were not raced and used in different disciplines.
                        Don't remember if they were from RaN line or not.
                        "Never do anything that you have to explain twice to the paramedics."
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                        • #13
                          I always enjoy looking at the photos on that site. Check out yours if you haven't.
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                            #14
                            Thanks Fooler and everyone.

                            FWIW - Mr. Sun had 61 starts, never missed a race season from 2002-2007. I bought him in 2007 and since I've had him, he's been sound and tough (knocking wood)! This horse is big and leggy - 16.3 @ 1300lbs.

                            Of course he has the typical chestnut sensitive/precious response issues.

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                            • #15
                              Noble Jones is lovely for sport. The In Reality/Intentionally top line that is from War Relic/Man O'War is highly desirable, then it shows up again in the bottom. What is also notable is that the Rassmusen factor (a mare twice in the 5th) is on My Dear Girl whose dam is also top line for War Relic. Caro gets you a little more of the War Relic (thru Relic!) stuff as well as some Precipitation. Nice stuff to be getting extra doses of!

                              Then lots of other nice things for sport: Bold Ruler, Princequillo, The Ax, Beadah gets you a little of the Ksar jumping magic, Prince John...

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                              • #16
                                I've known several with Cozzene on the dam sire side, and all have had the best temperaments. The Bold Ruler line on your other guy is interesting, different than what we usually see, but probably still good on the sport side
                                OTTBs rule, but spots are good too!

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                                • #17
                                  Originally posted by subk View Post
                                  Noble Jones is lovely for sport. The In Reality/Intentionally top line that is from War Relic/Man O'War is highly desirable, then it shows up again in the bottom. What is also notable is that the Rassmusen factor (a mare twice in the 5th) is on My Dear Girl whose dam is also top line for War Relic. Caro gets you a little more of the War Relic (thru Relic!) stuff as well as some Precipitation. Nice stuff to be getting extra doses of!

                                  Then lots of other nice things for
                                  sport: Bold Ruler, Princequillo, The Ax, Beadah gets you a little of the Ksar jumping magic, Prince John...
                                  Subk - This is the grey
                                  horse you saw at my place. :-)

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                                  • #18
                                    Originally posted by LAZ View Post
                                    Subk - This is the grey
                                    horse you saw at my place. :-)
                                    That's what I was thinking...

                                    By the way Miss Kitty (Zobbe) has wormed her way into the good graces and hearts of my neighbors who thought she was a stray, put a collar on her with their phone number and named her "Jackson." We called them and told them they were more than welcome to call "her" Jackson, but that she was indeed a girl kitty who was spayed and up to date on her vet work. So now she has the best of both worlds with an elegant plantation house where she can be "Upscale Kitty" then a groovy barn out back where she can be "Mouser Supreme." Shoulda named her Hannah Montana...

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                                      #19
                                      Thanks folks for indulging my request, this is all pretty cool to read.


                                      subk - so happy to hear Miss Zobbe (or Jackson) is living the good life!

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                                      • #20
                                        FWIW, the comments about Eight Belles' bloodlines were not about Native Dancer, but rather Raise a Native. I believe his presence, especially mutiple times, is considered a predictor of soundness issues, especially for sporthorses.

                                        Raise a Native (ofter abbreviated as RAN), Mr. Prospector and Unbridled are some names that may be of concern. Not that there can't be terrific horses with those bloodlines, but thought should be put into what a horse with those bloodlines ought to be bred to, particularly if you want a sporthorse that will have a long, sound life. And the more those names show up, the more concern there should be.

                                        Everything I know about bloodlines I've learned here on COTH! Asking these questions is a great learning tool.
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