• Welcome to the Chronicle Forums.
    Please complete your profile. The forums and the rest of www.chronofhorse.com has single sign-in, so your log in information for one will automatically work for the other. Disclaimer: The opinions expressed here are the views of the individual and do not necessarily reflect the views and opinions of The Chronicle of the Horse.

Announcement

Collapse

Forum rules and no-advertising policy

As a participant on this forum, it is your responsibility to know and follow our rules. Please read this message in its entirety.

Board Rules

1. You’re responsible for what you say.
As outlined in Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, The Chronicle of the Horse and its affiliates, as well Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd., the developers of vBulletin, are not legally responsible for statements made in the forums.

This is a public forum viewed by a wide spectrum of people, so please be mindful of what you say and who might be reading it—details of personal disputes are likely better handled privately. While posters are legally responsible for their statements, the moderators may in their discretion remove or edit posts that violate these rules. Users have the ability to modify or delete their own messages after posting, but administrators generally will not delete posts, threads or accounts upon request.

Outright inflammatory, vulgar, harassing, malicious or otherwise inappropriate statements and criminal charges unsubstantiated by a reputable news source or legal documentation will not be tolerated and will be dealt with at the discretion of the moderators.

2. Conversations in horse-related forums should be horse-related.
The forums are a wonderful source of information and support for members of the horse community. While it’s understandably tempting to share information or search for input on other topics upon which members might have a similar level of knowledge, members must maintain the focus on horses.

3. Keep conversations productive, on topic and civil.
Discussion and disagreement are inevitable and encouraged; personal insults, diatribes and sniping comments are unproductive and unacceptable. Whether a subject is light-hearted or serious, keep posts focused on the current topic and of general interest to other participants of that thread. Utilize the private message feature or personal email where appropriate to address side topics or personal issues not related to the topic at large.

4. No advertising in the discussion forums.
Posts in the discussion forums directly or indirectly advertising horses, jobs, items or services for sale or wanted will be removed at the discretion of the moderators. Use of the private messaging feature or email addresses obtained through users’ profiles for unsolicited advertising is not permitted.

Company representatives may participate in discussions and answer questions about their products or services, or suggest their products on recent threads if they fulfill the criteria of a query. False "testimonials" provided by company affiliates posing as general consumers are not appropriate, and self-promotion of sales, ad campaigns, etc. through the discussion forums is not allowed.

Paid advertising is available on our classifieds site and through the purchase of banner ads. The tightly monitored Giveaways forum permits free listings of genuinely free horses and items available or wanted (on a limited basis). Items offered for trade are not allowed.

Advertising Policy Specifics
When in doubt of whether something you want to post constitutes advertising, please contact a moderator privately in advance for further clarification. Refer to the following points for general guidelines:

Horses – Only general discussion about the buying, leasing, selling and pricing of horses is permitted. If the post contains, or links to, the type of specific information typically found in a sales or wanted ad, and it’s related to a horse for sale, regardless of who’s selling it, it doesn’t belong in the discussion forums.

Stallions – Board members may ask for suggestions on breeding stallion recommendations. Stallion owners may reply to such queries by suggesting their own stallions, only if their horse fits the specific criteria of the original poster. Excessive promotion of a stallion by its owner or related parties is not permitted and will be addressed at the discretion of the moderators.

Services – Members may use the forums to ask for general recommendations of trainers, barns, shippers, farriers, etc., and other members may answer those requests by suggesting themselves or their company, if their services fulfill the specific criteria of the original post. Members may not solicit other members for business if it is not in response to a direct, genuine query.

Products – While members may ask for general opinions and suggestions on equipment, trailers, trucks, etc., they may not list the specific attributes for which they are in the market, as such posts serve as wanted ads.

Event Announcements – Members may post one notification of an upcoming event that may be of interest to fellow members, if the original poster does not benefit financially from the event. Such threads may not be “bumped” excessively. Premium members may post their own notices in the Event Announcements forum.

Charities/Rescues – Announcements for charitable or fundraising events can only be made for 501(c)(3) tax-exempt organizations. Special exceptions may be made, at the moderators’ discretion and direction, for board-related events or fundraising activities in extraordinary circumstances.

Occasional posts regarding horses available for adoption through IRS-registered horse rescue or placement programs are permitted in the appropriate forums, but these threads may be limited at the discretion of the moderators. Individuals may not advertise or make announcements for horses in need of rescue, placement or adoption unless the horse is available through a recognized rescue or placement agency or government-run entity or the thread fits the criteria for and is located in the Giveaways forum.

5. Do not post copyrighted photographs unless you have purchased that photo and have permission to do so.

6. Respect other members.
As members are often passionate about their beliefs and intentions can easily be misinterpreted in this type of environment, try to explore or resolve the inevitable disagreements that arise in the course of threads calmly and rationally.

If you see a post that you feel violates the rules of the board, please click the “alert” button (exclamation point inside of a triangle) in the bottom left corner of the post, which will alert ONLY the moderators to the post in question. They will then take whatever action, or no action, as deemed appropriate for the situation at their discretion. Do not air grievances regarding other posters or the moderators in the discussion forums.

Please be advised that adding another user to your “Ignore” list via your User Control Panel can be a useful tactic, which blocks posts and private messages by members whose commentary you’d rather avoid reading.

7. We have the right to reproduce statements made in the forums.
The Chronicle of the Horse may copy, quote, link to or otherwise reproduce posts, or portions of posts, in print or online for advertising or editorial purposes, if attributed to their original authors, and by posting in this forum, you hereby grant to The Chronicle of the Horse a perpetual, non-exclusive license under copyright and other rights, to do so.

8. We reserve the right to enforce and amend the rules.
The moderators may delete, edit, move or close any post or thread at any time, or refrain from doing any of the foregoing, in their discretion, and may suspend or revoke a user’s membership privileges at any time to maintain adherence to the rules and the general spirit of the forum. These rules may be amended at any time to address the current needs of the board.

Please see our full Terms of Service and Privacy Policy for more information.

Thanks for being a part of the COTH forums!

(Revised 1/26/16)
See more
See less

Le Samuri Accident Video

Collapse
X
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • #61
    Originally posted by buschkn View Post
    I feel badly for her that she is being crucified...
    Then stop crucifiying her yourself.

    Comment


    • #62
      Originally posted by Drvmb1ggl3 View Post
      As someone already pointed out, had this happened anywhere else on course, she'd have pulled him up sooner. I think being that close to the finish line was a factor. You don't achieve the level of success that Amy T has without being an intensely competitive person, but sometimes that competitive streak can cloud your judgement.
      So it was a bad call, but don't know that I wouldn't have done the same being caught up in the moment.

      When galloping XC one is always aware of any changes in the horses's gait or attitude...it is part of GOOD XC riding. To say you may have done the same means you are putting your ego above the horse's welfare.
      Shame on you.

      Comment


      • #63
        Again, I agree with snoopy. And do you SERIOUSLY think she would have continued on to the fence if she were in last place and it happened between fences 3 and 4?? Poor gallant boy.
        Destiny is not a matter of chance, it is a matter of choice; it is not a thing to be waited for, it is a thing to be achieved. - William Jennings Bryan

        http://www.halcyon-hill.com

        Comment


        • #64
          Amy is a great rider and I trust her judgement. In this case she must not have felt what we all see! I saw a horse that was tired and then injured. From the video is appears she should have pulled up and that she had plenty of time. But I was not in that saddle and I cannot judge Amy!

          Let us not badmouth Amy anymore as I am sure she feels worse than anyone, particularly worse than these strangers on the BB!

          My heart goes out to everyone involved.

          I am jingling for Le Samuri!
          Steph

          http://community.webshots.com/user/stephanne014

          Rerider/Haydunker Clique

          RIP Barbaro, you were my hero!

          Comment


          • #65
            Originally posted by subk View Post
            Then stop crucifiying her yourself.
            I do feel badly for her since I am sure she regrets what happened, but she made a VERY serious error in judgement, and it is a public matter since it happened in public and affects our sports perception, not to mention the welfare of animals we love. As such, I am entitled to an opinion. And my opinion is that she did the wrong thing, regardless of how badly she may feel about it now.
            Destiny is not a matter of chance, it is a matter of choice; it is not a thing to be waited for, it is a thing to be achieved. - William Jennings Bryan

            http://www.halcyon-hill.com

            Comment


            • #66
              Maybe I am watching a different Video

              It does not show where he first took a mis step, or maybe it does. Did it happen after a fence? I saw him on a galloping stretch the Video is not great, It does look like he is moving odd but not Barbaro 3 legged. And HE took the jump really game, and did not buckle on landing. I dont know what she felt or not. Not good to assume. Amy I believe is a good horseman.

              Comment


              • #67
                Maybe I should read first

                IS there another Video that you folks are watching that is better quality. This one on Youtube is grainy. I could not see any expression on Amys face. I dont know what to think. I dont want to judge either, But I swear he looked laboured going around that turn, and it almost looked like he was cross cantering. I dont know.. its sad. IS he shot for good now?? Trail horse? He sure is cute.

                Comment


                • #68
                  Originally posted by buschkn View Post
                  I agree with the posters who are calling BS. I was able to see both sides right up until I saw that video. There is NO way you can tell me that he felt ok from the saddle at any point. He took maybe 2 strides out of 30 that looked even halfway ok. He was hobbling and DEAD lame. I want to puke over what that horse went through. I agree with the other posters who said she was driving him to the fence, and certainly should never have pointed him to it in the first place. Couldn't pull him up my ass. Regardless of what sort of horsewoman she usually is, she did something VERY wrong that day. I am sure she knows that now, and regrets it, but he is the one who is paying the price. I feel badly for her that she is being crucified, but she knew what the right thing to do was, and didn't choose it. You can't make me believe she didn't know.
                  buschkn ~ THANK YOU ~ i could not have said it better myself (and i was trying to come up with the words!

                  That video is the most hear wrenching thing to have to watch! No one is trying to crucify Amy, BUT she made a VERY BAD CALL THAT DAY! Everyones comments in the article on Equisearch (i think) is just plain and total BULL S**T!!!! For someone as experienced as Amy to not know that something was wrong after his first bad step is just absurd! She should have turned that horse to the left and gotten him pulled up ~ and for them to say that she pulled up right after the last fence, OH MY GOD, no she did not she kept going, how many strides farther and THEN STOPPED! And PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE don't compare this to Barbaro (as they did in the article as well, not anyone here), if they want to go there, Edgar started to pull him up AS SOON AS HE FELT THE BAD STEP! He did not think "oh was that a bad step or a pulled shoe" and then urge the horse on to keep going!

                  PLEASE, we are not trying to crucify or anything of the sort BUT, watch the video over again and then maybe a couple of more times and then tell me you don't see a terrible terrible error on her part!

                  Comment


                  • #69
                    He looked VERY labored, she was working him, he was crooked and changing gaits - and ALL before she made the last turn and during the turn. You can see her lift her elbow a couple of times as if she were using the whip, but I can't be sure of that. Definitely not just hands on reins.
                    Tranquility Farm - Proud breeder of Born in the USA Sport Horses, and Cob-sized Warmbloods
                    Now apparently completely invisible!

                    Comment


                    • #70
                      Originally posted by Wench View Post
                      Amy probably just thought he pulled a shoe or nicked his leg or something else like that. She trotted for a second, and when she picked the canter back up the horse is VISIBLY better. Still lame, but better. I'm sure Amy thought it was no big deal,
                      Still lame but no big deal? I'm my humble opinion, if the horse is adrenalized and "is going for it", it's up to the rider to act on both parties best interests. If a jockey can pull up a race horse why can't eventers?

                      Originally posted by Wench View Post
                      hindsight is 20/20. If it turned out he was that visibly lame but had only stepped on a clip on his shoe this thread would not be here!
                      I think any good horseperson would be more than ok if she did pull up over something minor. It would better demonstrate that she does care for the horse. I'm more than confident that she does have compassion for her horses, but if she did pull up, it would show everyone that and there would be no speculation. The thread would still be here, but the discussion would be different.

                      Originally posted by Wench View Post
                      I think it's obvious she didn't realize the severity of the injury, and I think it's completely arrogant for any of us to say we would have realized it in her situation.
                      I don't think it's completely arrogoant for anyone to say what they would have realized in her situation.

                      Comment


                      • #71
                        all I can say is...

                        If I am ever on trial, there are several people on this thread I would NOT want on my jury.

                        Comment


                        • #72
                          Well

                          I know I dont wish the memory she will have in her head forever, I know what thats like you keep replaying it over and over and the what ifs. I never got the impression that she was so out to win she would sacrifice her horses. She worked hard to get where she is today. I am sure she has a heavy heart. Tell me something why do people always get on COTH and judge all the big time riders.?? Besides we are all eventers. IT could happen to any one of us. Good thought for her and Samauri is what we all need to do. And this just occured to me. Lets say she did think he was lame, and she wanted to get over the last fence, being that she was in first? She would know that he would never jog the next day and would be disqualified. So that argument is lame.. excuse the pun.

                          Comment


                          • #73
                            It is a horrible video to watch , but I was there (at fence 31) and saw it from a distance. As an experienced horsewoman myself, I find it difficult to believe that it "felt like he'd pulled a shoe" or however she put it. It was clearly obvious that something was very wrong with Le Samurai. She had plenty of time IMHO to pull up without risking a crash.

                            But, I am not a top level rider, never having ridden a top level horse. So who is to say what she felt, did he "lock on" to the fence etc etc.

                            The end all be all is that we are supposed to be in this sport for THE HORSE, and whatever we do should be in the horse's best interest. Period. IMHO I don't think Amy did that.
                            Last edited by texang73; Apr. 30, 2007, 02:40 PM.
                            View my photographs at www.horsephotoguy.zenfolio.com

                            Comment


                            • #74
                              I finally made myself watch the video.

                              I'm speechless

                              Comment


                              • #75
                                But we are watching a video. It is QUITE different when you're sitting on the back of a horse.

                                We can all sit here and say "This is what I would have done" and "how dare she" but in truth, unless you've been in the exact same situation, then you can't know how you would react. You don't know if you'd make that judgment call to pull up, or whether you'd say "okay, but he's still with me." Yes, he looks tired--in fact, he looks tired before he trips and if I hadn't known what happened, I'd chalk that up to exhaustion.

                                Amy doesn't have a history of pushing horses too far--in fact, she's probably one of the best at horse management and she truly, truly loves the sport and the horses. If she had a history of pushing horses, like others who were riding that day, then this would be a different discussion.

                                We weren't on the horse. It wasn't our call. We don't know what it felt like. We only know what it looked like.
                                WWTD?

                                Comment


                                • #76
                                  Originally posted by ToucheToujour View Post
                                  We weren't on the horse. It wasn't our call. We don't know what it felt like. We only know what it looked like.
                                  and it LOOKS LIKE she is riding a very crippled, exhausted horse.

                                  Comment


                                  • #77
                                    Yes, he looks tired--in fact, he looks tired before he trips and if I hadn't known what happened, I'd chalk that up to exhaustion.

                                    AGAINST THE FEI RULES>>>>



                                    We weren't on the horse. It wasn't our call. We don't know what it felt like. We only know what it looked like.[/QUOTE]


                                    Give me a break...I am SURE she felt this

                                    Comment


                                    • #78
                                      if you guys want to be critical of her fine, you're entitled to your opinion, but please realize that when you're critical of her in one breath then in the next say "you feel sorry that's she's being crucified" it makes you look like a bunch of hypocrits...or worse.

                                      Comment


                                      • #79
                                        Originally posted by subk View Post
                                        if you guys want to be critical of her fine, you're entitled to your opinion, but please realize that when you're critical of her in one breath then in the next say "you feel sorry that's she's being crucified" it makes you look like a bunch of hypocrits...or worse.

                                        I do NOT feel sorry she is being crucified...it must be how the horse felt crossing the finish line

                                        Comment


                                        • #80
                                          Originally posted by subk View Post
                                          if you guys want to be critical of her fine, you're entitled to your opinion, but please realize that when you're critical of her in one breath then in the next say "you feel sorry that's she's being crucified" it makes you look like a bunch of hypocrits...or worse.
                                          Remind me never to ask you to watch my horse jog!

                                          Comment

                                          Working...
                                          X