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What is an "english style" saddle?

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  • What is an "english style" saddle?

    I was looking on the USEA website. I was going through the rule-book. I saw a rule regarding saddles. It said only that "english style" saddles would be allowed.

    What is an english style saddle? Who decides?

    Thank you. I have a mare that I am looking to do a schooling show with an unusual saddle. Combo english - plantation saddle. I will use it for this and future shows. If I pursue anything else, I will worry about it then.

    I was just curious.
    Life is too short to argue with a mare! Just don't engage! It is much easier that way!

    Have fun, be safe, and let the mare think it is her idea!

  • #2
    I'm not sure I have ever seen an official definition--but the couple of plantation style saddles I have seen would be hard to justify as English. Do you jump in it? It seems like it would be hard to get up out of.

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      #3
      It is english rigged. Wide English leathers.

      We are learning to jump now. Yes, I can get out of it. It is easy! I am not going to be a die hard jumper here....but

      I was just looking for a definition!

      Thanks!
      Life is too short to argue with a mare! Just don't engage! It is much easier that way!

      Have fun, be safe, and let the mare think it is her idea!

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      • #4
        DR121 Saddlery and Equipment.
        1. An English type saddle with stirrups is compulsory for Federation and USDF tests. An
        English type saddle may be constructed with or without a tree but cannot have a horn, swell,
        gallerie, or open gullet. Australian, Baroque, Endurance, McClellan, Spanish, Stock, or Western
        saddles are not permitted nor are modified versions of these saddles (exception: competitors
        with a current approved Federation Dispensation Certificate).
        Proud & Permanent Student Of The Long Road
        Read me: EN (http://eventingnation.com/author/annemarch/) and HJU (http://horsejunkiesunited.com/author/holly-covey/)

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        • Original Poster

          #5
          This saddle is none of the above as far as that goes, except that it has an open pommel sp?. I guess that it is out. Oh well, I will worry about it later.

          thank you for the information. I will focus on fun for now....new saddle when and if we need one.
          Life is too short to argue with a mare! Just don't engage! It is much easier that way!

          Have fun, be safe, and let the mare think it is her idea!

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          • #6
            Do you mean a cutback pommel? That's different from an open gullet - open gullets are like McLellan or some "australian stock" saddles - you can see the horse right through where you sit.

            I think the intent of the rule is that you don't use western/endurance tack. And that you must use a saddle. But they don't care if you want to jump in your dressage saddle or flat in your jump saddle.

            I would think a saddleseat saddle would be OK - not comfortable for either dressage or jumping, but legal. I haven't seen any plantation saddles without western stirrups, but they look a lot more 'western' than 'english".

            I was going to say it was the panels that make western saddles different from english but the reactor panel and treeless saddles are legal and they have the wide flat western type panels.

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            • #7
              A plantation saddle is probably a stock saddle. Sorry.
              I think the point is not to be exclusionary, or stuffy about particular saddles, but to make sure that it is a level playing field for all riders. Saddles with horns, swells, etc. are quite easy to sit in and stay still, and conceiveably could give a rider an advantage over another rider in a more conventional dressage saddle. Altho nowadays there are some pretty big pads and blocks on dressage saddles! But it is my belief that the saddle rules are to prevent unfair advantage so that a judge doesn't have to make a determination between riders by judging tack qualities.
              Proud & Permanent Student Of The Long Road
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              • Original Poster

                #8
                Below is a copy of my saddle. It is almost identical to this:

                http://www.sycamorecreeksaddles.com/GAF001.jpg

                I do think it is closer to english than some of the other saddles on the market.
                Life is too short to argue with a mare! Just don't engage! It is much easier that way!

                Have fun, be safe, and let the mare think it is her idea!

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                • #9
                  Eh, that would be a no. It has too deap a seat... can you really jump in that? It looks like that'd be tricy, especially once the fences go up. It also has western styling, with the color and fringy things and whatnot.
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                    #10
                    The rigging on mine is english. The fringy thingies can come off. I can remove the rings. Oh well, since these are only schooling shows, I won't worry about them.

                    M
                    Life is too short to argue with a mare! Just don't engage! It is much easier that way!

                    Have fun, be safe, and let the mare think it is her idea!

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by mustangtrailrider View Post
                      Below is a copy of my saddle. It is almost identical to this:

                      http://www.sycamorecreeksaddles.com/GAF001.jpg

                      I do think it is closer to english than some of the other saddles on the market.
                      I would consider that an endurance saddle.

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                      • #12
                        It has a front swell, and, regardless of the rigging, (the rule states modifications don't matter) or what type it may be, it's not legal for dressage, ergo eventing.
                        Altho it certainly looks comfortable for trail riding and general hacking!
                        Proud & Permanent Student Of The Long Road
                        Read me: EN (http://eventingnation.com/author/annemarch/) and HJU (http://horsejunkiesunited.com/author/holly-covey/)

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