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  • SPINOFF: Event photogs charging to view proofs online.....

    Check out the discussion going on here:

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    Do the photogs at your shows charge to view proofs? If so (or not) what are your opinions............
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  • #2
    2 of our local photog's do charge to view proofs. They I believe are a $20 & $25 dollar deposit. That is applied to any purchase you make though, so say you buy 3 photos and its $60 then you only pay the difference from the deposit. One of the photog's will refund if they don't get any really good shots you like, but they have to agree there is nothing worth purchasing. Not sure how that works. The other one will only give a refund if they literally do not get any photo's of you.

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    • #3
      I have never been at an event that the photographers have charged to view. My fav one is xpress foto. They do a fantastic job, they are the funnest people and always seem to remember you. They do not charge to view the photos. I think they do charge a bit extra for you to use them for sales photos and such and you have to say 'photo by xpress foto' but I have no problem with that. I wouldn't pay to view my photos before buying. The photos cost enough as it is, which I am more then happy to pay but most people can only afford so much.

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      • #4
        Personally, I haven't encountered a photographer that does so, and I would not want to purchase from one that did. It seems to me akin to a store that would charge you an entrance fee just to go in the door and look at the merchandise to see if you wanted to buy anything - pretty ridiculous.

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        • #5
          As a photographer, I wouldn't. If I am commissioned to do a shoot for a specific person, I'll charge an hourly rate because it'd be highly rare to make enough on prints to make it justifiable. However, when doing that many people, it generally balances out just fine if my shots are of any level of quality.

          As a consumer, I forked over my money most happily to the photographer who offered up to 150 images on a CD for $60. He got about 40 of my horse, so it was well worth the cost. Not all of them would have been worth purchasing, however, but since it was digital, it wasn't exactly costing them per shot.

          I'll obviously pay more for quality. Peggy Smith got some GORGEOUS ones of my horse at a jumper show, I paid quite a bit for them but LOVE the photo I bought. The light is perfect in a way that a lot of our smaller photographers locally haven't been able to capture, and I'm paying for that level of skill.

          I don't have the disposable income to pay just to look, I don't think. Unless my horse was particularly awesome on a given day.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by lizajane09 View Post
            Personally, I haven't encountered a photographer that does so, and I would not want to purchase from one that did. It seems to me akin to a store that would charge you an entrance fee just to go in the door and look at the merchandise to see if you wanted to buy anything - pretty ridiculous.
            Hey, that store you describe is Costco! I too find it absurd. Won't give those people my business, period. I understand that there's an incredible amount of work that goes into getting shots of every rider at a show, but still. I need to see proof before I fork over the money.

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            • #7
              I like the idea of charging a deposit. Perhaps if people would stop stealing her pics from the internet, and using them, she wouldn't have to do that.

              As for the other photographer you guys mentioned....I have paid for pics that were never mailed...

              Terri works hard, and there have been a TON of pics that have been stollen. You can't build those costs into this. Another option that might have to be done is her billing hourly to stand in the heat, the rain, at a show, to the organizers, who charge way more for a stall then I think they need to. Take some of that money, and quit expecting someone to standing in texas and sweat bullets for that person to go steal what they want.

              Another I would think is for PhotoReflect to start working on a better security system to keep this from happening.
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              • #8
                Do what others do, stamp proof across the front and although it can still be stolen, it is not much use with that across the picture! I would rather not pay to see proofs, that defeats the purpose of "proofs"
                Cindy

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                • #9
                  There are ways to make them not able to be stolen, not only stamping proof on the front, but you can also set up your site with enough security that no one can click on a photo and save it and if they try to print it off the website it will print an x or black box. Why does she just not do that?

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                  • #10
                    I like the idea of charging a deposit. Perhaps if people would stop stealing her pics from the internet, and using them, she wouldn't have to do that.
                    Perhaps if she'd watermark them or use a secure photo server, this wouldn't happen...

                    As for the other photographer you guys mentioned....I have paid for pics that were never mailed...
                    File a complaint with the Better Business Bureau. This is a small industry, if word gets around, they won't stay in business.

                    Terri works hard, and there have been a TON of pics that have been stollen. You can't build those costs into this.
                    You can prevent it from happening in the first place. Further, if you discover someone still managing to do this, you can file a lawsuit.

                    Another option that might have to be done is her billing hourly to stand in the heat, the rain, at a show, to the organizers, who charge way more for a stall then I think they need to. Take some of that money, and quit expecting someone to standing in texas and sweat bullets for that person to go steal what they want.
                    Unfortunately, that's what the job IS - standing in the heat, rain, snow, whatever. Heck, I know big hunter shows frequently charge photographers a vendor fee. It's unlikely that any horse event is going to pay a photographer to make money off their event, when the show itself doesn't gain much benefit from the photos.
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                    They're small hearts.

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                    • #11
                      I don't care if the photographer slaps big "PROOF" all over their photographs online, but I'm not paying to look at proofs, and I'm not paying to buy photos I can't see first (cough-SporthorseStudio-cough). I go out of my way to support photographers, and in general am sufficiently in love with my ponies that I will buy photos of them almost anywhere, though I generally wait until the end of the season to do so.

                      Love GRC's approach; ditto Red Horse, Shannon Brinkman, Amy Dragoo etc. Happy to support good photographers but I'm not paying for the privilege of purchasing their wares.

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                      • #12
                        Photographers are getting a bit pushy it seems... I'm brining my own camera

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                        • #13
                          There is only 1 I have come across in eventing that charges just to look at proofs- there may be more.
                          I personally will not pay for the opportunity to decide if I want to buy your photos. Sorry. Unless it is some spectacular event (i.e. AECs, my trip around Rolex , etc), I have enough opportunities to view proofs and buy photos that I have decided I actually want that I will just wait until the next HT if you want to charge me to look at proofs.
                          There is something about the outside of a horse that is good for the inside of a man.(Churchill)

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                          • #14
                            It raises my ire, too, but 15 mintues on Facebook and I can COMPLETELY understand why they are starting to do this.
                            Can't tell you how many FB pages I see that have album after album of professional photos copied off the internet. Many have the "proof" stamp across them; that doesn't matter to a rider bursting with so much pride and enthusiasm she just HAS to show her friends (but not quite so much pride and enthusiasm that she feels the need to open her wallet).
                            And even though many sites are now set up to prevent you from downloading a copy of the picture, I'm not sure that many have the technology to prevent you from doing a screen-grab.
                            Bugs me to pay sight unseen, but I can't say that I blame them.
                            I evented just for the Halibut.

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                            • #15
                              Anyone can set it up so you can not do a screen grab, copy pictures, save pictures, print pictures, etc. It just comes down to one of two things: Either they are able to do it themselves or they pay for a computer geek/web hoster to do it for them. Now before you say that it costs extra money to do this, which if you can't do it yourself it does, the question would be : why wouldn't they do it? If they are loosing money to people doing that then spending a bit to stop it and keep their potential PAYING clients happy is worth every penny.

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                              • #16
                                If they charge- I no pay....



                                I would NEVER pay to view my proofs from a show, event, etc. I view them to see if there are any photos that I would like to purchase. Sometimes I am disapointed in the jump/ angle that the photographer chose to shoot from.

                                Plus, the reason I have not been purchasing pics from shows/ events lately is because the prices are OUTRAGEOUS!!!!! My dad is a prof. photographer and charges way way way less for his proffesional pics from hunter/ jumper shows in Wellington. Lets get real here, from the photographer from the last event I went to, they wanted $30 for a 4x6- a 4x6!! Yeah, that is right. A 5x7 was $35. It takes 50 cents to have them printed (I know this for a fact). That is like a 6000% mark up. I understand they need to make a living off of their pictures- but they would sell a lot more photos and I would buy a lot more photos if they were priced more reasonable!!!

                                So, I used to buy on average 4-8 pictures from and event, now I buy 0 unless it is very very very good.

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                                • #17
                                  No I would never pay to view proofs I had no idea were good or not.

                                  Every single photographer's website I have been to uses click protection. Smugmug is used by ammy photographers and it uses this technology so it can't be that hard.

                                  People will steal, you can prevent that easily without accusing everyone in the entire area of doing it.
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                                  • #18
                                    Originally posted by enjoytheride View Post

                                    People will steal, you can prevent that easily without accusing everyone in the entire area of doing it.
                                    To be fair, it was Gold2012, not Terrie herself, who addressed Area V as a whole as being thieves. I suspect other issues...

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                                    • #19
                                      Originally posted by NeverTime View Post
                                      It raises my ire, too, but 15 mintues on Facebook and I can COMPLETELY understand why they are starting to do this.
                                      I don't really believe in paying for proofs (I think the photographers should use better security to prevent thief)

                                      BUT.. I can't believe the balls people have posting stolen pics all over their facebooks or webpages. ESPECIALLY when they are using as a sale picture..ie let ME profit off of this picture but not you.

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                                      • #20
                                        Originally posted by GaellentQuest View Post
                                        There are ways to make them not able to be stolen, not only stamping proof on the front, but you can also set up your site with enough security that no one can click on a photo and save it and if they try to print it off the website it will print an x or black box. Why does she just not do that?
                                        There are ways even around that. You can use a "Print screen" key that basically takes a "picture" of everything on your screen. Paste it into Word and crop and voila! there's a printable version of the photograph you just stole from the photographer.

                                        Would I pay to view proofs online? Probably not. But i can understand the theory behind it, that doesn't mean I agree with it. If they had a tent/booth/trailer set up on the grounds and I saw that I got some good shots of me and just didn't have time to order on the grounds I would probably pay a viewing fee if it counted towards purchase and I KNEW I would buy something.

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