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spinoff on 'dangerous riding': is it really like pornography? (video included)

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  • spinoff on 'dangerous riding': is it really like pornography? (video included)

    In other words (actually, the words of Potter Stewart), do you know it when you see it?

    On the other thread, we discussed a horse with an unorthodox jumping style but a very clean XC record getting E'd at Pau for simply going the way he rolls.

    What about a rider with an unorthodox style?

    So I present to you Exhibit A. No, this isn't XC but close enough -- it's the Hickstead Derby, with massive fences and a famous bank. This combination was very successful in their day and even survived an unforgettable moment the previous year when the horse jumped off the top of the bank.

    As the BBC announcer says at the start of the video, hang on to your hats.

    Annette Lewis & Tutein, Hickstead 1986

  • #2
    Ugh, its too early/late for me to comment. (Spent a long night in the studio and need to go to bed, haha.) But I wanted to include this video as well: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opMiCyoRzYM

    Enjoy a few laughs, maybe cringe a little (or a lot), and pardon the cheesey music.
    (And if you don't want to watch the whole thing, at least watch 3:15.)
    New Username: tres grey


    • #3
      Annette Lewis

      Her jumping style certainly gave us many hours of entertainment here in the UK.

      I always had an urge to tie her stirrups to her girth Symmetry straps would never have stood a chance, they would have pinged off at the first jump.

      She once said in an interview that she rode him in that fashion to keep as much weight as possible off his back. I have to say, on other rides, the style was no where near as flamboyant.

      "Chaos, panic and disorder. My work here is done"

      ~Member of the "Addicted to Lessons" clique~


      • #4
        Wouldn't her weight come down on his back harder when she regained her stirrups on the landing side?


        • #5
          Looks pretty ugly to me. I'm not sure she could have made it around XC with that horse/ style-- not knocking her really, but she was fighting him so much! That bothered me far more than her 'jumping' position!


          • #6
            No wonder he's so rank.

            Third Charm Event Team


            • #7
              This horse is a saint! Imagine what he could do with someone who could accually ride him! Who needs to ride with their leg if they can rip their horse's face off!!


              • #8
                Well to me the horse looked exceptionally difficult. And the rider appeared to be making good decisions about when to be slow and when to tell him to move out. Her equitation left a lot to be desired but so does Richard Spooner's.

                Dangerous? the horse was more dangerous than the rider, I think. She was coping with what was going on underneath her and not everyone gets to create their own "goes in a snaffle quietly at all times" horse. Although she could probably shorten her stirrups a hair.

                Flame away.


                • #9
                  Well, it fits my definition of porn, "offensive". I don't know that it is dangerous in my book.


                  • #10
                    OMG - watch 1988 when her REINS BREAK!!


                    • #11
                      Why bother with a horse that is that difficult? I can't imagine enjoying the challenge.

                      What I find porny is not the "offensiveness" of blooper/bad ride videos, but the way they appeal to people's love of staring at pictures/movies and saying "wow, check that out" or "my god, that can't be real!" etc.


                      • #12
                        I liked Michelle Lewis's 1988 round...sort of relevant since we're often talking about the wisdom or not of getting on and continuing. Pretty funny! (And if we're talking "dangerous riding", I found Michelle's style of loosy-goosy-gunning it between fences more "offensive" than Annette's unusual equitation)



                        • #13
                          I just watched the 1988 video and OH MY GOSH
                          Neither video looked at all pleasant or even mildly enjoyable. She must have nerves of steel or be completely mad. Its no wonder her reins broke she was sawing the heck out of her horses mouth.


                          • #14
                            Originally posted by ohhthatgirl View Post
                            Ugh, its too early/late for me to comment. (Spent a long night in the studio and need to go to bed, haha.) But I wanted to include this video as well: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opMiCyoRzYM

                            Enjoy a few laughs, maybe cringe a little (or a lot), and pardon the cheesey music.
                            (And if you don't want to watch the whole thing, at least watch 3:15.)
                            How in the heck is this guy catching so much air? Not to mention staying on. Seriously, why is this guy coming so far out of the saddle?


                            • #15
                              Originally posted by twofatponies View Post
                              Why bother with a horse that is that difficult? I can't imagine enjoying the challenge.
                              Well... a difficult horse with talent to compete at a high level!


                              • Original Poster

                                Tutein may have been unconventional but he was certainly honest. And he and Annette had a partnership worked out for sure.

                                But what makes this not dangerous?


                                • #17
                                  Originally posted by JER View Post
                                  Tutein may have been unconventional but he was certainly honest. And he and Annette had a partnership worked out for sure.

                                  But what makes this not dangerous?

                                  nothing....but then jumping horses, riding horses...hell being around horses is dangerous.

                                  And today...that combination might not have been allowed to continue...and they may not have been competitive either (he didn't look like the most ridable of horses and today's courses require more ridability).

                                  Not saying it is right or wrong...just today, there seems to be a different standard as to what is acceptable.
                                  ** Tact is the ability to tell someone to go to hell in such a way that they look forward to the trip. ~Winston Churchill? **


                                  • #18
                                    Originally posted by JER View Post
                                    Tutein may have been unconventional but he was certainly honest. And he and Annette had a partnership worked out for sure.

                                    But what makes this not dangerous?
                                    Cause I know it when I see it, and to me, this pair has worked out a way of getting the job done. Can't be asked to actually define dangerous riding - right!?!?!

                                    Horse is good with both his front end and his back. Rider stays basically in the middle of him, she does have some control, even if he is fighting it, he is on his hocks the whole time. Is it pretty - no, but at no time do I think they are in danger of turning over or running thru the jumps. I also think she could turn away from a fence and stop if she wanted.


                                    • #19
                                      It me that is dangerous riding. Anyone else notice the bit she had on that horse? It was noticable in the 1988 video after her rein broke. Double twisted wire. No wonder the horse jumps like he does, she's constantly sawing on his mouth and she never lets him really use his head and neck to get over a fence. What I really think is dangerous is the way that horse would not stop for her. I can drop the reins on my upper level event mare and stop her just by sitting back and giving a little tug on her breastplate. She's an OTTB, and a very keen jumper. And yet she will stop in a situation like that. That horse was running people over and completely out of control.

                                      Personally I think that's what shows dangerous riding, if the rider has control.
                                      http://xtrapony.blogspot.com <-- X's Blog



                                      • #20
                                        Originally posted by ValleyMiss View Post

                                        Personally I think that's what shows dangerous riding, if the rider has control.
                                        If that's how you define it, then what about the situations where the rider has control, but is asking the horse to do dangerous things? A stupid rider in control is every bit as dangerous in my book.

                                        Although I agree that this looked fairly dangerous!

                                        And I haven't really seen a lot of Hickstead footage before... is it common to have so many rails? The jumps are huge, so it wouldn't surprise me... but in a typical show, having that many faults would hardly define a successful pair.