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  • Price for TL horse

    Hey there

    Just tooling around, trying to figure out the price of a horse that goes TL. Can you give me some range $ ? thanks

  • #2
    There isn't just one price for a training level horse - there are so many other factors, including but not limited to:

    How fancy is it, will it win the dressage, how easy is it, how old, how sound, will it pack someone new to the level, how brave is it, does it have potential to move up (and if so, how far), how big is it, what kind of resale value might it have, how much of a spook does it have, how much maintenance does it need, etc, etc, etc.

    In other words, I have seen a range of from under 10K (older, needs maintenance, good but not fabulous on the flat) to 40K (young, super fancy, very easy, amateur ride, will win on a sub-30 dressage score, and has solid preliminary experience as well) for a "training level horse". It's just a very broad category and depends alot on what you're looking for.

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    • #3
      Agree with GS. I would say a solid training level horse that would be safe and fun if you were a solid novice/training level rider and on which you would get some ribbons, but not necessarily win and was in the 8-12 year old age range (not fancy youngster, but not older and in need of maintenance) would still have a range from around $15k - $25k depending on experience, size, dressage score, and area of the country.
      OTTBs rule, but spots are good too!

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      • #4
        Originally posted by scubed View Post
        a solid training level horse that would be safe and fun if you were a solid novice/training level rider and on which you would get some ribbons, but not necessarily win and was in the 8-12 year old age range (not fancy youngster, but not older and in need of maintenance) would still have a range from around $15k - $25k depending on experience, size, dressage score, and area of the country.
        I would like to think that this was the case and training level horses were going for this much. But I have a thirteen year old, SOLID training level packer, nice mover, no maintenance issues, that is consistently in the ribbons and has been one of the top Junior Novice/Training Level horses in area 2 for the last four years. He is priced at $20K and only one person in four months has come to look at him. This horse is "priceless". So, either I suck at selling horses (which is quite believable) or the market is just not there and prices have really fallen off. I know of plenty of Training level horses for sale in the $15-$20,000...some younger with lots of potential, some older with incredible records that could pack anybody around...but none of them are selling.

        So, like the OP, I too am curious what a reasonble price range is for a training level horse, or if buyers are actually willing to pay a "reasonable" price?

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        • #5
          The market is definitely softer than last year. I just sold two of my daughter's Training packers (age 6) who are sound, easy rides. One a winner at dressage and an occasional rail in show jumping. Usually places in top 3 if his rider doesn't make a mistake. The other can place in dressage, jump around clean in SJ and both are machines crosscountry. Placings have been in Area II and III against the best. Both are schooling Preliminary crosscountry. Sold for $25-35K. I don't believe either buyer has aspirations for going higher than Training, so these guys will be doing their jobs well for many years to come.
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            #6
            Thanks for the replies, very helpful. I had no idea of price range for this level horse, seems so "economical" compared to hunters. But I'm sure the hunters are more "economical" now also. Any other thoghts greatly appreciated!

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            • #7
              I think it is "economical" compared to hunters, and has been for a long time (that is, even if both disciplines are currently experiencing a downturn, it is probably parallel).

              I have never understood why the hunter market can charge 5x more for the same horse, given that in the big time hunters, horses may not really be an ammy ride -- you might win but only after the trainer has prepped the horse over a very similar course.

              A winning ammy horse at Training level needs to produce credible 1st level dressage (more or less), jump neatly around a 3'3" course on often muddy, unlevel ground, and jump around a cross country course of the same size with combinations etc., all in the same day, never with a pro prepping the horse over the courses or on the day of.

              Seems like a fairly substantial skillset but that horse might sell at 25k, not 80k.
              I'm not complaining, as an eventer who occasionally buys but never sells (they are my pets, after all!), but it has always seemed weird to me.
              The big man -- my lost prince

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                #8
                Yes Asterix, that's what I was thinking! Strange really, should be the opposite, IMHO!

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                • #9
                  A Training level (3'3") eventer with a mediocre rider has to get around safely.

                  A 3'3" hunter with a mediocre rider has to get around making the the rider look like they're NOT mediocre..

                  The difference is a lot of zeros!

                  Jennifer
                  Third Charm Event Team

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                    Third Charm

                    good point!

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by ThirdCharm View Post
                      A Training level (3'3") eventer with a mediocre rider has to get around safely.

                      A 3'3" hunter with a mediocre rider has to get around making the the rider look like they're NOT mediocre..

                      The difference is a lot of zeros!

                      Jennifer
                      JMHO, BUT, those zeros sure make a $2.00 ribbon awfully expensive...and because I was one of those mediocre riders (no offense taken Jenn, cause I know you're saying it like it is, at least for me ) on a safe horse - thank you, Buddy!
                      ~ it no longer matters what level I do, as long as I am doing it..~ with many thanks, to Elizabeth Callahan

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                      • #12
                        I am certainly no eventing expert, nor do I play one on TV , but $20K seems high to me.

                        Recently I saw a kid's "packer" horse that has actually placed in several events in CO (I think?) -- ok, she is an Arab and only 14.1hh, but also only 8 yrs old, totally sound (per ad) and apparently is very confirmed at "beginner" level (that's what the ad said, I assume they meant "training" level?).

                        They had her priced at just $5000!! They had pics of her jumping cc, and what a little trouper she was! If she was just a smidgen taller I would have gotten her myself and I'm no kid !

                        So is that really cheap? Or is the market just bad?

                        Seems to me a horse that young that can cart a kid around safely would be worth more than that?

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                        • #13
                          "Beginner" and "training" are not even close to the same thing. Eventing has 6 recognized levels, of which "training" is the third--and training is generally thought of as a pretty substantial level for an amateur rider. Some ponies can do training level, but many can't.

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                          • #14
                            I think $20K is about right for a training level horse. If I had the money and could get a new horse right now, I would pay that for a sound horse that could pack my butt around.
                            Now I just have to win the lottery!

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                            • #15
                              Training Level is 3'3" and First Level Dressage. If the horse is confirmed at "beginner level", that almost certainly means 2'6" and under and *maybe* some basic dressage. Maybe.

                              Also I happen to love honies, but 14.1 is a very tough height to sell. Add in a bad market and $5000 seems about right.
                              Head Geek at The Saddle Geek Blog http://www.thesaddlegeek.com/

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                                #16
                                Yes, the the words "training level" would make you think beginner but not so in eventing! You have to train to get to training level!!!!

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                                • #17
                                  Originally posted by workinggirl View Post
                                  Yes, the the words "training level" would make you think beginner but not so in eventing! You have to train to get to training level!!!!
                                  Got ya! Thanks for the info!

                                  I'm more use to dressage where Training Level IS beginner.

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                                  • #18
                                    I have a horse ( currently listed as a free long term lease ) that I cant give away. Not high in the daily management dept. but not a turn out and ride once a week either, front shoes, fairly easy keep..9 years old.

                                    While hes never done training he could easily with the right rider, Hes schooled training questions ditches and water are not an issue but again, I cant give him away. 3'3 is nothing to him.

                                    I wouldnt consider him a packer, he has his moments and you have to actually ride him but I wouldnt consider him "difficult" either.

                                    and our price point is nada,zero, zip.... except for a montly/bimonthly email and some pics......... Who Knows !!!

                                    Personally 20,000.00 is a little steep but if hes a packer at a young age it does happen, but right now I would think you could find a T horse for much closer to 8 given the current times.
                                    Ride it like you stole it....ohhh sh*t

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                                    • #19
                                      Originally posted by CanTango1 View Post
                                      and our price point is nada,zero, zip.... except for a montly/bimonthly email and some pics......... Who Knows !!!
                                      But CanTango, you left out the kicker--that he has to stay within 2 hours of York, PA. I know at least two riders in Michigan who would be a good fit, but they don't meet your distance requirement.

                                      I'm not saying that I don't sympathize. I know it's hard to send a horse a long way away. But it's a factor.
                                      Head Geek at The Saddle Geek Blog http://www.thesaddlegeek.com/

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                                      • #20
                                        Originally posted by CanTango1 View Post
                                        Personally 20,000.00 is a little steep but if hes a packer at a young age it does happen, but right now I would think you could find a T horse for much closer to 8 given the current times.
                                        Not in my area (at least not that I've been able to find -- I'm in MN). I'm currently shopping for a nice young horse to bring along to T -- I can't afford one who's already going. If they're youngish and sound, they start at $15,000 around here.

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