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  • North American Thoroughbred Society

    Should I join and why. Besides the awards program can any member tell me the benefits. I read the membership info and that there was a dressage scholarship last year, but what else?

    Yes, I compete a Tb and would like to hve another at some point.
    RIP Kelly 1977-2007 "Wither thou goest, so shall I"

    "To tilt when you should withdraw is Knightly too."

  • #2
    speaking of this

    What would everyone think of a comprehensive tb sport horse association? Or is this what the North AMerican Tb Association is?

    I'm thinking breed shows, a logo, yes!, and other things. Have USEA, USDF, Hunters, Jumpers, etc, have a TB only class/division, sponsored by this TB Association.

    I was brainstorming with a friend about this the other day. Not to step on the existing organizations' toes, but maybe really an organization with more visibility? to showcase the breed more? Tie it in with educational programs, connections with CANTER, RERun, LOPE, etc.

    Maybe I am talking about an OTTB Association!?
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    • Original Poster

      #3
      How about and organization that registers Thoroughbreds and allows AI?
      RIP Kelly 1977-2007 "Wither thou goest, so shall I"

      "To tilt when you should withdraw is Knightly too."

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      • #4
        I second the need for a TB logo.
        Chrissy

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        • #5
          but there IS a logo!

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          Apalachicola Native (Alfie), '02 TB Gelding,
          Wild Man of Borneo (Hank), '03 Redtick coonhound,
          Augustus McRae (Gus), '01 Bluetick coonhound

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          • #6
            There has been a group of us associated with Tbs after the track, including rescues, horsemen, etc that want to see a national marketing campaign started, with a website with links to rescues, success stories about OTTBs whether they are trail or Olympic horses, etc, retraining tips, etc etc---BUT none of us has the time to get it off the ground.....I am going to see if maybe TCA would take this task on....

            and yes, a logo and slogan are needed, but I don't think we need AI.......sorry.
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            • #7
              COTH OTTB Forum?

              Somewhat OT ( no pun intended, ouch!)--but maybe COTH could have a separate forum for OTTB issues/inquiries/fans? I know I'm always searching multiple threads to pull out relevant info, and I'm not sure where to post to find, say, someone who works with OTTBs around NJ or NY; what to do about particular post-track training issues, weird body quirks, etc. There is such a wealth of information on COTH and I always watch for posts from JleeGriffith, Leighton Farm, Mapleshade, Ishi, and of course BeverlyAStrauss...but I'd love to have it all in one place!

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Eventer55 View Post
                How about and organization that registers Thoroughbreds and allows AI?
                Wouldn't that be nice....
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by HollysHobbies
                  Hey, I'm a child of the 80s, ET and all...

                  Sorry...what's AI?
                  AI=Artificial Insemination
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by foxhavenfarm View Post
                    Wouldn't that be nice....
                    Not for me. If I wanted something I can't register with the Jockey Club I'd buy a quarter horse grade cross (so long as it's HYPP and HERDA negative--thank you, AQHA, for perpetuating THOSE bloodlines and making sure anything with QH blood might be a walking time bomb.) TBs are racehorses first, everything else second, and I wouldn't join an organization or register an OTTB with one that supported diluting the breed with AI. (Or buy a non-JC Thoroughbred for any purpose. Heck, I won't even buy an OTTB without its papers.) Or actually buy a TB bred specifically for any purpose besides racing or chasing. The last thing I'd ever want is a way to turn TBs into warmbloods with smaller butts.
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                    • #11
                      re: the logo HollysHobbies...

                      I agree they look a bit like crosses, but I think they are (supposed to be) more reminicent of a fleur de lis-type design. Somewhere on the website I think they talk about how they came up with the design and why they used each image... or I could be dreaming that...
                      I have Higher Standards... do you?
                      Apalachicola Native (Alfie), '02 TB Gelding,
                      Wild Man of Borneo (Hank), '03 Redtick coonhound,
                      Augustus McRae (Gus), '01 Bluetick coonhound

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                      • #12
                        I think it's a mistake to only focus on OTTBs. There are a few sport bred TBs and the OTTBs should piggy back on their success! In fact it's breeders understanding the importance of the TB blood in their fancy WBs that's a big part of the key in regaining the lost respect for TBs in sport. The "Holsteiner" that just won Pau**** is 93% TB blood, yet hop over to the Breeding Forum and the only thing folks care about is the other 7% and the pretty brand name. As long as the WB folks aren't appreciating the full TBs and their contributions it's going to make it that much harder.

                        The first thing I wish a Sport TB group would do is send out e mails to upper level riders and ask them to post on their sites the track name or pedigree of the TBs in their lineup. Researching TB blood is next to impossible and it would be a big help if riders would publicly recognize what it is they have!

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                        • #13
                          SubK--didn't mean to suggest a unique focus on OTTBs at all, that was just something else I'd been thinking about. Didn't mean to confuse the issue. I'm all for any and all TB's! (OK, my SO would say I'm for anything with four hooves and a tail!)

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                            #14
                            Not sure how my AI comment got derailed, I meant it would be nice if I could breed to say A Fine Romance or Sea Accounts or choose a horse from out of my travel realm. Since I have to do live cover I am in a tiny gene pool. I want a registered Tb, I did not want a diluted Tb crossed with something else.

                            I want papers and I love my Tbs. Does this make sense?
                            RIP Kelly 1977-2007 "Wither thou goest, so shall I"

                            "To tilt when you should withdraw is Knightly too."

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                            • #15
                              I've never really understood why you can't AI one TB by another TB. It seems incredibly old-fashioned to require live cover. People who can't afford to haul their mares 2,000+ miles to get the stallion they want are just SOL? I understand not wanting to dilute TBs into "warmbloods with smaller butts," but I don't see how AI would automatically cause this.

                              It seems like something I vaguely remember from geometry... A always equals B, but B does not always equal A...
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                              • #16
                                IMO not allowing AI was the smartest thing the JA ever did. But Im not a breeder, so I see that point of view. Live cover keeps a whole world of people employed, land preserved and shipping rates/stabling costs down. A large section of the horse world (TB breeders) need all those services and at reasonable rates. Live cover means large farms, with capacity for mares and foals. It limits the supply and increases the worth of foals.
                                I think its helped sustain TBs and allowed other horse owners to benefit from the industry.
                                Thats how I see it anyway.

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                                • Original Poster

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by Chall View Post
                                  IMO not allowing AI was the smartest thing the JA ever did. But Im not a breeder, so I see that point of view. Live cover keeps a whole world of people employed, land preserved and shipping rates/stabling costs down. A large section of the horse world (TB breeders) need all those services and at reasonable rates. Live cover means large farms, with capacity for mares and foals. It limits the supply and increases the worth of foals.
                                  I think its helped sustain TBs and allowed other horse owners to benefit from the industry.
                                  Thats how I see it anyway.
                                  Not trying to start a wreck, but can you splain to me how live cover preserves land and employs more people than AI? And why do you need "large farms" for live cover and not for AI? Do AI horses not get turned out and who do you think collects the semen, handles the stallion for collection, teases the mare and what about the vet that comes to the farm for the procedure?

                                  What about mares and foals that are bred through AI where do they get turned out? The largest farm I visited with mares and foals was a WB farm with tons of horses all turned out with tons of workers and people employed
                                  RIP Kelly 1977-2007 "Wither thou goest, so shall I"

                                  "To tilt when you should withdraw is Knightly too."

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                                  • #18
                                    I hate to see this thread derailed into a debate on AI.......or OTTB vs TB, I dont think the "OT" part is a requirement.....

                                    The JC did start a Performance Horse Registry for TBs which then morphed into performance horses and got lost....there are a lot of good, smaller, fragmented efforts but we need a strong national plan with branding (going back to my MBA days combined with love for all things TB---NOT talking about branding as in branding iron or freeze branding)- this could bring all of these other efforts together.

                                    There are some good people who want to get this off the ground, many regular COTH contributors.....I will see what I can do to maybe jumpstart this again- most everyone is so busy with their own horses/lives, it is hard, and we do not need to do it half a$$ed.
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                                    • #19
                                      Originally posted by Eventer55 View Post
                                      Not sure how my AI comment got derailed, I meant it would be nice if I could breed to say A Fine Romance or Sea Accounts or choose a horse from out of my travel realm. Since I have to do live cover I am in a tiny gene pool. I want a registered Tb, I did not want a diluted Tb crossed with something else.

                                      I want papers and I love my Tbs. Does this make sense?
                                      Yes, it absolutely makes sense. We don't want to "dilute" our TB's either or "turn them into warmbloods with smaller butts".
                                      Fox Haven Farm, Inc.
                                      Home of 2002 JC Registered stallion Artrageous

                                      Artrageous has his own Facebook page!

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                                      • #20
                                        We presented the MidAtlantic Horse Rescue Trophy for the highest placed American TB at the FHI two star- St Barths won both the 2* and our trophy- hooray! But his rider didnt know his breeding or race record, just his registered name (Red Track Shoes).......
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