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Would you be eliminated for losing your armband?

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  • Would you be eliminated for losing your armband?

    I know you've got to start your jumping phases wearing your medical armband, but are you eliminated if the sucker falls off?

    On Sunday I ran xc in the rain at Virginia; for the first time ever, I had a windbreaker on over my vest but under my pinney. My armband slid down the slick fabric of the sleeve and was actually looped over my rein--ie, it was entirely off my arm, but still "attached."

    Then Gully stopped at the water. I went to shorten my rein and realized that if I did that, my armband would fall to the ground. So I took the time to shove it back onto my sleeve--time which would have better been spent whacking Gully--who decided he was really not ready to get any more wet.

    In retrospect I should have grabbed the strap of the armband along with my rein, and carried on that way--and in further retrospect, that's the last time I start without safety pinning the armband in place. But--what would have happened if I'd dropped it?

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    But--what would have happened if I'd dropped it?
    Nothing would have happened. I believe the rules have a monetary fine as a consequence for not wearing your armband -- not elimination and I doubt seriously there is any ground jury that would assess a fine for an armband lost on course.

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    • #3
      I think this sort of thing falls under "at the discretion of the Ground Jury", and it would be pretty hard-hearted of them to eliminate a rider for an unforeseeable "whoops" like this.
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        #4
        Damn. Shoulda let it go.

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        • #5
          At Morven Park mine slipped on my Prelim horse after the bounce, I thought it was tight but guess not. I just held it in my hand with my reins, but thought about dropping it somewhere I could go back easily and get it. Galloping to the water I kept thinking over and over again if I ever read if you would be eliminated for losing it. I decided to hold on to it, I forgot to ask after XC too.
          WestWind Farms
          Love means attention, which means looking after the things we love. We call this stable management.
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          • #6
            MEDICAL CARDS. An approved and completed medical card is required any time while
            jumping. It must be enclosed in a transparent, waterproof carrier. It must be securely
            attached to the competitor’s upper arm on the outside of the competitor’s clothing. Failure to
            wear one’s own medical card shall be penalized by a fine of $100. (Payable to the
            Organizing Committee)
            So, in theory they could fine you, but I doubt anyone would under those type of circumstances
            OTTBs rule, but spots are good too!

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            • #7
              As much of a pain the booty those things are it sure came in handy when i fell off recently on XC and had a rather bad accident and was in so much pain I couldnt answer any questions and luckily I had that dang thing on! If only there was a better was to attatch them bc mine falls down continuously too and i put it on super tight.

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              • #8
                Thanks scrubed! I decided that I probably would be OK if I had to drop it, because I went out with it on, and it broke/slipped and sometimes that happens out on XC. I held onto it because there is something in it that I didn't want to lose. I just got a new holder for mine before the next event. The velcro stretches over times, and I guess it was time for a new one for me. I'm glad gully's pilot posted this, I completely forgot to ask at the HT.
                WestWind Farms
                Love means attention, which means looking after the things we love. We call this stable management.
                - George H. Morris

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                • #9
                  Having had my armband slip down more times than I care to think about (new or slightly used velcro: didn't matter), I now always safety pin it to my sleeve, through the elastic. Said safety pin lives on the elastic between events. I figure even if I fall on it and impale myself, a 1/2" safety pin isn't going to kill my arm that much!
                  They don't call me frugal for nothing.
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                  • #10
                    I've seen people attach them around their xc vest up near the shoulder. I don't know if this would work for a model other than Tipperary (only seen it done on them). Can't slip down there! Though it would be covered up by certain pinnys.
                    "Last time I picked your feet, you broke my toe!"

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                    • #11
                      I have often thought of making a XC shirt with a built in waterproof sleeve pocket for your Medical ID. If you could buy such a thing, custom in your colors, would you? I've often thought this would be a good thing to have.

                      Nancy
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                        #12
                        I think that would be a great idea.

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                        • #13
                          I have been very seriously thinking about this for a while. I would do a short and long sleeve version, with a color stripe down the outside sleeve. The material would be an athletic stretch type, with some cotton content. No fold over collar, just a simple one that won't bunch under your vest. Each would have a built in waterproof armband and the long sleeve would have a cut out for the watch.

                          I've thought about chevrons, etc but I think those are best left on the helmets with simple colors under a vest. I'd be interested in hearing what anyone else would want in a xc shirt. Perhaps a zip collar on the short sleeve one?

                          Nancy
                          Last edited by NMK; Nov. 3, 2009, 09:45 AM.
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                          • #14
                            NMK, that's a great idea. I'm another one whose armband slips down frequently, and I can't keep track of pins (this from the person who recently lost her stock pin, while trying to pin it on, in her own dressing room)!

                            I have a couple different shirts in my basic color -- short sleeve, long sleeve, and fleece, to work with different weather.

                            What I'd love is some kind of wicking/comfy material, non bunching/fairly slim cut. I always wear my vest in stadium but if I didn't I'd want the shirt to be presentable for stadium as we MOSTLY go direct from SJ to XC here, with no change in outfit (some folks pause to put on their vest and change horse boots.)

                            I am an outlier here but I do wear a vest with shoulder pads (see my pics) so in a perfect world, the pocket would be below that level so easy to see even with those pads....

                            You asked!!
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                            • #15
                              Armband

                              I second the "Resident Safety Pin" I hate jumping the last 1/2 of the course holding my reins, stick and arm band!

                              i found a I-pod arm band at the $1 store and bought the last 2 much more comfortable but i still pin it to the shoulder seam of the shirt or coat

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                              • #16
                                I use duct tape - a circle of it when I don't want it to show and atually think ahead. Just a piece slapped on to the top or bottom edge of the card when I am in a hurry. Apparently the manufacturers of the armbands did not do any market research to know that the majority of eventers are thin women.

                                My armband would fit my DH's popeye arms just fine.

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                                • #17
                                  NMK. I would be in for a shirt like that, but safety pin nice because it also works for sj jacket at shows where not waived
                                  OTTBs rule, but spots are good too!

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                                  • #18
                                    I don't read the rule as the commenters have. The fine is for wearing someone else's card. You are REQUIRED to wear a card, so are subject to elimination if you don't wear it "while jumping." If you're wearing someone else's card, you're subject elimination AND fined. As with all rules, the ground jury has some freedom of action.

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                                    • #19
                                      When you read the rule book, I believe there is a section that lists the violations that are penalized by elimination (and even then the Ground Jury usually has the final say on that), in addition to covering it in the actual rule for that violation. Not wearing an armband is not listed as a violation penalized by elimination.

                                      I believe the wording was changed to specify wearing "your own armband" instead of just "wearing an armband" because some folks (certainly not me ) would just grab the nearest armband, regardless of whom it belonged to and there was no rule against it.

                                      For the record (and please accept my apologies for the rant in advance), I HATE the armband rule and was against it when it was enacted. If someone has an issue that needs disclosing, of course they should carry a card (or a med-alert bracelet, etc.) but this rule was made at a time where safety was in the spotlight (the Christopher Reeve incident among other high profile accidents had just happened) and I think it was a knee jerk reaction to "look like we are doing something". I don't think there is any hard core evidence that requiring everyone to wear armbands has made any significant contribution towards safety.

                                      Particularly at the lower levels, I think it also sends the wrong message that eventing is crazy dangerous -- much more so than other disciplines, particularly since we are now required to wear it for stadium. Just exactly how is an eventing stadium course more dangerous than a jumper course? Is a 2'6 Beginner Novice XC Course really more risky than a Grand Prix Jumper class? Yes, if you are an idiot, a BN course is a very dangerous place but so is a H/J course and frankly, so is life (if you are an idiot). I do not believe that a lower level horse trials is significantly more risky than a jumper show for the average intelligent rider who receives appropriate instruction and rides within the limitations of themselves and their horse.

                                      Again, if you have an issue that needs disclosing (diabetes, pregnancy, allergy to bee stings, previous injuries, etc), you should have that information with you and I believe that prior to the armband requirement, most riders that needed to carried that information either in a med-alert tag, medical card, or by having a "in case of emergency" person right there (heck, we have those people even if there are no medical issues to disclose). Perhaps having the cards/armbands handy for those needing them even makes a lot of sense, but I do not believe that everyone should be required to wear them.

                                      I wear mine, because it is required but the extent of the information on it is my name and address. I'm not even completely sure of my blood type but who cares.... is someone really going to give you blood based upon a card strapped to your arm without type and cross-matching? I sure hope not! I also dislike the armband format -- for the reasons cited here. We shouldn't *HAVE" to safety pin ourselves into something that is supposed to be for safety sake and many officials will not let you wear it anywhere besides your arm.

                                      Again, if you have issues you need disclosing, you should wear that information on you at all times, regardless of your discipline. But requiring it of everyone is ridiculous and once again goes back to personal responsibility.

                                      Sorry... rant off.
                                      Last edited by SevenDogs; Nov. 3, 2009, 03:42 PM.

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                                      • #20
                                        The one argument I can imagine regarding an armband versus another form of medical alert is that it is consistently located in the same place for all riders. Some medical alert bands are bracelets, or necklaces, etc, and so not always easy to locate.

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