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  • Spinoff: Why not a resale home?

    From Cooper thread:

    deleware park closed for the season yesterday so check out canter...lots of cheap/lovely/free/amazing ottb in need of a home....and let me stress...not a resale home
    Why not a resale home? Lots of people do a lovely job retraining these horses so they can have a forever home with someone who isn't quite up to taking one off the track.

  • #2
    It does seem like a horse going to a resale home with experience would be as likely to end up in a good home as one bought directly.

    My guess is that the sensitivity surrounds the free horses, and the risk of someone taking one directly to the sale. I can't imagine any race trainer would be unhappy for their 1K horse to be resold for 10K a year later.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Gry2Yng View Post
      From Cooper thread:

      Why not a resale home? Lots of people do a lovely job retraining these horses so they can have a forever home with someone who isn't quite up to taking one off the track.
      My guess: They're trying to keep the local yokels from attempting a project that will be way over their head and lead to an OTTB standing in the slaughter house three months from now.

      I would bet $100 that if a well-respected professional trainer who'd purchased at the track before asked to buy an OTTB for resale, they'd sell it to him/her.
      Head Geek at The Saddle Geek Blog http://www.thesaddlegeek.com/

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      • #4
        I work with CANTER Delaware and I would think those trainers would be happy to see ANY homes show up right now as the meet is ending. There are some very nice horses and I know many we haven't even listed that need to move along. The biggest comments I get from trainers is that people call and make appointments and then don't show up which really hurts the reputation of our program and what we are trying to accomplish. I realize there is nothing I can do about that but it frustrates me when we work so hard to make contacts with these trainers and then they don't want to deal with the public because of a few bad experiences.

        I support those people who do want to do resale and often call/email a lot of my contacts who are doing the resale projects when I see something really nice during a track visit. It is just a personal opinion but I would rather these horses go to someone who does the job of transitioning ottb's into new careers on a frequent basis as they understand the process that the horses go through. I see nothing wrong with a horse getting 3 months of retraining and then being resold as that person is doing the hardest part of the job giving the horse the skills to become a show horse.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by Beam Me Up View Post
          It does seem like a horse going to a resale home with experience would be as likely to end up in a good home as one bought directly.

          My guess is that the sensitivity surrounds the free horses, and the risk of someone taking one directly to the sale. I can't imagine any race trainer would be unhappy for their 1K horse to be resold for 10K a year later.
          Those horses in and of themselves are worth very little. If someone manages to for 10K at a later date, it i because of the training and mileage they have put into that otherwise worthless horse.
          www.OneJumpAhead.ca

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Ravencrest_Camp View Post
            Those horses in and of themselves are worth very little. If someone manages to for 10K at a later date, it i because of the training and mileage they have put into that otherwise worthless horse.
            I beg to differ. While these horses are worth more with training, and a resale home is a great option, I would not say that as they stand they are otherwise worthless. Have you ever been in the company of a TB? They are intelligent, beautiful, smart, willing.........
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            • #7
              should have been more clear

              ok...what i should have said is they don't want people picking them up for free and then selling them to whoever is willing to pay more than free...if you get my drift. the trainers/owners do seem very concerned that these horses will be scooped up and just sold to the next highest bidder and end up at the dreaded auction. this was expressed over and over...they want to know what your plans are with this animal..they aren't just trying to get rid of them. and to the canter person...there are some great resale places..i bought my ottb from one in pa off your website. and i am currently looking at another. so...everyone chill. why is it that people get so on the defensive anymore on this forum... seems to me that people are looking for things to just get all riled up over.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by BeverlyAStrauss View Post
                I beg to differ. While these horses are worth more with training, and a resale home is a great option, I would not say that as they stand they are otherwise worthless. Have you ever been in the company of a TB? They are intelligent, beautiful, smart, willing.........
                Having owned a piece of a race horse myself I can tell you that one that isn't making money can actually be financially worth less than nothing (which is worse than "worthless.") Sometimes it's cheaper to give one away fast then hang on to sell. But I think everyone here agrees that just because the price tag says $0 doesn't mean the animal has no "value." The problem arises when stupid people think something only has the value of their price tag. I suspect that is the problem with giving one away--you open the door to folks that won't value or respect what it is that they have and the owners want better for the horses than that!

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                • #9
                  Agree and Disagree

                  JL you probably know who I am, and since I buy and make up n Re-sell I agree w/ some of these posts and disagree w/ some comments.

                  The meet is over some of these horses have no run left and the connections no $$ left.

                  No shows by prospective buyers hurt just as bad as the trainer who fails to show up or ever even answer/return phone calls. All lost opportunities.

                  If you go take your trailer and cash, don't be a tire kicker if its for "Sale" don't ask if the trainer will give it to you. If you don't have the redies DO NOT GO. Some times you get lucky but be prepared to pay. If you need a PPE call around see who and what time they will be on the grounds before you make your appointment. Don't expect the trainer to hold/feed/stable horse for weeks while you find a vet who will drive to DE Park.

                  IF its free have 2 copies of a sales agreement blank made up w/ you and pay by check $1.00 for the horse so it is a legal transaction.

                  And remember all of those who are sensitive to the subject once that horse leaves the track once its paid for even if by the angel "Gabielle" himself they can sell give or do what ever the devil they want ..cause its now their horse.

                  Alot will be body sore and foot sore. Dr Green and Mother Time will their best friends.
                  Money well spent of a few good de-worms, some probiotic and any form of stomache soother be it U-Gaurd or just Aloe Vera Juice will make a world of diffrence. Even a short course of Banamine and low dose bute help transition. Adequine, Legend, over counter joint suppliments 2X day to start big help. Give the horse TIME TIME TIME. Little Paddock 1st to Big w/ a quiet friend who will not run w/ them. And don't get in over your head if you can't lead it around the shedrow don't bank on being able to handle it at home!

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Jleegriffith View Post
                    I work with CANTER Delaware and I would think those trainers would be happy to see ANY homes show up right now as the meet is ending. There are some very nice horses and I know many we haven't even listed that need to move along. The biggest comments I get from trainers is that people call and make appointments and then don't show up which really hurts the reputation of our program and what we are trying to accomplish. I realize there is nothing I can do about that but it frustrates me when we work so hard to make contacts with these trainers and then they don't want to deal with the public because of a few bad experiences.

                    I support those people who do want to do resale and often call/email a lot of my contacts who are doing the resale projects when I see something really nice during a track visit. It is just a personal opinion but I would rather these horses go to someone who does the job of transitioning ottb's into new careers on a frequent basis as they understand the process that the horses go through. I see nothing wrong with a horse getting 3 months of retraining and then being resold as that person is doing the hardest part of the job giving the horse the skills to become a show horse.
                    and to add, a lot of the people who push the "no resale" thing are simply low level hoarders or have a personal axe to grind - determined to impose their "morals" on everyone else. It's really not helpful at all to these horses, who need to get rehomed NOW. Imagine if the Jleegriffith, Mapleshades and CoolMeadows (just to name a few) satisfied those people's ideas and quit buying to resell.. what a shame that would be.

                    Just ignore those no resale comments!
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by EqTrainer View Post
                      It's really not helpful at all to these horses, who need to get rehomed NOW. Imagine if the Jleegriffith, Mapleshades and CoolMeadows (just to name a few) satisfied those people's ideas and quit buying to resell.. what a shame that would be.
                      No kidding! Especially because there's a fairly substantial number of people who like TBs, and really want one, but maybe don't have the skills/time for one straight off the track.

                      The folks who do re-sale create a really valuable source of horses for that crowd In the long run I think that helps far more horses
                      "smile a lot can let us ride happy,it is good thing"

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                      • #12
                        Believe me, I know about TBs not paying their way at the track- all that means is that they are not racehorses, not that they are worthless. I completely agree about giveaways- all too often the people who take them aren't vested and the horse ends up in trouble. When we get our TBs from the kill pens, we do put time and training and vet care into them so they are ready for a new home (and yes, that includes qualified people who do take them for further resale)- Prospective homes can come ride, vet, whatever-- but we do not give them away, we want people to have an ownership stake and we have to pay our bills.

                        Bev Strauss
                        MidAtlantic Horse Rescue
                        Be a part of the solution~ Adopt a thoroughbred!
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                          #13
                          Originally posted by wookie View Post
                          ok...what i should have said is they don't want people picking them up for free and then selling them to whoever is willing to pay more than free...if you get my drift. the trainers/owners do seem very concerned that these horses will be scooped up and just sold to the next highest bidder and end up at the dreaded auction. this was expressed over and over...they want to know what your plans are with this animal..they aren't just trying to get rid of them. and to the canter person...there are some great resale places..i bought my ottb from one in pa off your website. and i am currently looking at another. so...everyone chill. why is it that people get so on the defensive anymore on this forum... seems to me that people are looking for things to just get all riled up over.
                          I don't think anyone is in a knot. I know I am not in a knot. Just asking. I have taken one or two over the course of 10 years and sold them on to nice homes. I would never take a horse if I had to promise not to resell it. That's all. Sometimes they don't work out, even if your intent isn to keep them when you buy them. Wondered why this was a policy for these horses. I understand now. Thanks.

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by judybigredpony View Post
                            JL you probably know who I am, and since I buy and make up n Re-sell I agree w/ some of these posts and disagree w/ some comments.

                            The meet is over some of these horses have no run left and the connections no $$ left.

                            No shows by prospective buyers hurt just as bad as the trainer who fails to show up or ever even answer/return phone calls. All lost opportunities.

                            If you go take your trailer and cash, don't be a tire kicker if its for "Sale" don't ask if the trainer will give it to you. If you don't have the redies DO NOT GO. Some times you get lucky but be prepared to pay. If you need a PPE call around see who and what time they will be on the grounds before you make your appointment. Don't expect the trainer to hold/feed/stable horse for weeks while you find a vet who will drive to DE Park.

                            IF its free have 2 copies of a sales agreement blank made up w/ you and pay by check $1.00 for the horse so it is a legal transaction.

                            And remember all of those who are sensitive to the subject once that horse leaves the track once its paid for even if by the angel "Gabielle" himself they can sell give or do what ever the devil they want ..cause its now their horse.

                            Alot will be body sore and foot sore. Dr Green and Mother Time will their best friends.
                            Money well spent of a few good de-worms, some probiotic and any form of stomache soother be it U-Gaurd or just Aloe Vera Juice will make a world of diffrence. Even a short course of Banamine and low dose bute help transition. Adequine, Legend, over counter joint suppliments 2X day to start big help. Give the horse TIME TIME TIME. Little Paddock 1st to Big w/ a quiet friend who will not run w/ them. And don't get in over your head if you can't lead it around the shedrow don't bank on being able to handle it at home!
                            Really good advice. Will print and file for the next time I have room for one. Last line is my favorite.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by BeverlyAStrauss View Post
                              I beg to differ. While these horses are worth more with training, and a resale home is a great option, I would not say that as they stand they are otherwise worthless. Have you ever been in the company of a TB? They are intelligent, beautiful, smart, willing.........
                              I think you took my words too literally. I agree that they are beautiful and intelligent animals. It is probably a reflection of the state of the horse sales market, trends in horse buyer preferences and the economy in general that for whatever reason people are not willing to pay money for an OTTB. (at least in Ontario)

                              I guess I should have said they have no monetary value in and of themselves. Any monetary value they have comes from training and or show experience.

                              Finally, my point was that no one is going to take and flip a horse for profit without putting time, money and work into it.
                              www.OneJumpAhead.ca

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                              • #16
                                not sure who wrote the "no resale" thing, but there is no restriction for buying a horse for resale through the CANTER listings.
                                Even the CANTER-owned horses can sometimes be bought (and often are!) for the express purpose of reselling. We (CANTER) believe a good education is the safest existence for any horse, so re-sellers are a good thing, IMHO.

                                That said, we've had some horses that we *prefer* not go to resale homes, strictly because they might not like being jostled around, or like to be one-person horses--the More sensitive types. But for the most part we welcome them with open arms

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                                • #17
                                  Originally posted by FairWeather View Post
                                  not sure who wrote the "no resale" thing, but there is no restriction for buying a horse for resale through the CANTER listings.
                                  Even the CANTER-owned horses can sometimes be bought (and often are!) for the express purpose of reselling. We (CANTER) believe a good education is the safest existence for any horse, so re-sellers are a good thing, IMHO.

                                  That said, we've had some horses that we *prefer* not go to resale homes, strictly because they might not like being jostled around, or like to be one-person horses--the More sensitive types. But for the most part we welcome them with open arms
                                  Good for you. We specialize in retraining OTTBs. We typically keep them at least a year. Like to give them 6 months turnout so they can learn to be a horse. There's nothing I like better than seeing a new one have his first roll in the mud! I strongly believe it's much better for a horse to go to a good trainer as a resale than as a backyard project for a person with no experience with OTTBs. They are wonderful, beautiful, smart and sensitive animals and they deserve to be restarted correctly.

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