• Welcome to the Chronicle Forums.
    Please complete your profile. The forums and the rest of www.chronofhorse.com has single sign-in, so your log in information for one will automatically work for the other. Disclaimer: The opinions expressed here are the views of the individual and do not necessarily reflect the views and opinions of The Chronicle of the Horse.

Announcement

Collapse

Forum rules and no-advertising policy

As a participant on this forum, it is your responsibility to know and follow our rules. Please read this message in its entirety.

Board Rules

1. You’re responsible for what you say.
As outlined in Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, The Chronicle of the Horse and its affiliates, as well Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd., the developers of vBulletin, are not legally responsible for statements made in the forums.

This is a public forum viewed by a wide spectrum of people, so please be mindful of what you say and who might be reading it—details of personal disputes are likely better handled privately. While posters are legally responsible for their statements, the moderators may in their discretion remove or edit posts that violate these rules. Users have the ability to modify or delete their own messages after posting, but administrators generally will not delete posts, threads or accounts upon request.

Outright inflammatory, vulgar, harassing, malicious or otherwise inappropriate statements and criminal charges unsubstantiated by a reputable news source or legal documentation will not be tolerated and will be dealt with at the discretion of the moderators.

2. Conversations in horse-related forums should be horse-related.
The forums are a wonderful source of information and support for members of the horse community. While it’s understandably tempting to share information or search for input on other topics upon which members might have a similar level of knowledge, members must maintain the focus on horses.

3. Keep conversations productive, on topic and civil.
Discussion and disagreement are inevitable and encouraged; personal insults, diatribes and sniping comments are unproductive and unacceptable. Whether a subject is light-hearted or serious, keep posts focused on the current topic and of general interest to other participants of that thread. Utilize the private message feature or personal email where appropriate to address side topics or personal issues not related to the topic at large.

4. No advertising in the discussion forums.
Posts in the discussion forums directly or indirectly advertising horses, jobs, items or services for sale or wanted will be removed at the discretion of the moderators. Use of the private messaging feature or email addresses obtained through users’ profiles for unsolicited advertising is not permitted.

Company representatives may participate in discussions and answer questions about their products or services, or suggest their products on recent threads if they fulfill the criteria of a query. False "testimonials" provided by company affiliates posing as general consumers are not appropriate, and self-promotion of sales, ad campaigns, etc. through the discussion forums is not allowed.

Paid advertising is available on our classifieds site and through the purchase of banner ads. The tightly monitored Giveaways forum permits free listings of genuinely free horses and items available or wanted (on a limited basis). Items offered for trade are not allowed.

Advertising Policy Specifics
When in doubt of whether something you want to post constitutes advertising, please contact a moderator privately in advance for further clarification. Refer to the following points for general guidelines:

Horses – Only general discussion about the buying, leasing, selling and pricing of horses is permitted. If the post contains, or links to, the type of specific information typically found in a sales or wanted ad, and it’s related to a horse for sale, regardless of who’s selling it, it doesn’t belong in the discussion forums.

Stallions – Board members may ask for suggestions on breeding stallion recommendations. Stallion owners may reply to such queries by suggesting their own stallions, only if their horse fits the specific criteria of the original poster. Excessive promotion of a stallion by its owner or related parties is not permitted and will be addressed at the discretion of the moderators.

Services – Members may use the forums to ask for general recommendations of trainers, barns, shippers, farriers, etc., and other members may answer those requests by suggesting themselves or their company, if their services fulfill the specific criteria of the original post. Members may not solicit other members for business if it is not in response to a direct, genuine query.

Products – While members may ask for general opinions and suggestions on equipment, trailers, trucks, etc., they may not list the specific attributes for which they are in the market, as such posts serve as wanted ads.

Event Announcements – Members may post one notification of an upcoming event that may be of interest to fellow members, if the original poster does not benefit financially from the event. Such threads may not be “bumped” excessively. Premium members may post their own notices in the Event Announcements forum.

Charities/Rescues – Announcements for charitable or fundraising events can only be made for 501(c)(3) tax-exempt organizations. Special exceptions may be made, at the moderators’ discretion and direction, for board-related events or fundraising activities in extraordinary circumstances.

Occasional posts regarding horses available for adoption through IRS-registered horse rescue or placement programs are permitted in the appropriate forums, but these threads may be limited at the discretion of the moderators. Individuals may not advertise or make announcements for horses in need of rescue, placement or adoption unless the horse is available through a recognized rescue or placement agency or government-run entity or the thread fits the criteria for and is located in the Giveaways forum.

5. Do not post copyrighted photographs unless you have purchased that photo and have permission to do so.

6. Respect other members.
As members are often passionate about their beliefs and intentions can easily be misinterpreted in this type of environment, try to explore or resolve the inevitable disagreements that arise in the course of threads calmly and rationally.

If you see a post that you feel violates the rules of the board, please click the “alert” button (exclamation point inside of a triangle) in the bottom left corner of the post, which will alert ONLY the moderators to the post in question. They will then take whatever action, or no action, as deemed appropriate for the situation at their discretion. Do not air grievances regarding other posters or the moderators in the discussion forums.

Please be advised that adding another user to your “Ignore” list via your User Control Panel can be a useful tactic, which blocks posts and private messages by members whose commentary you’d rather avoid reading.

7. We have the right to reproduce statements made in the forums.
The Chronicle of the Horse may copy, quote, link to or otherwise reproduce posts, or portions of posts, in print or online for advertising or editorial purposes, if attributed to their original authors, and by posting in this forum, you hereby grant to The Chronicle of the Horse a perpetual, non-exclusive license under copyright and other rights, to do so.

8. We reserve the right to enforce and amend the rules.
The moderators may delete, edit, move or close any post or thread at any time, or refrain from doing any of the foregoing, in their discretion, and may suspend or revoke a user’s membership privileges at any time to maintain adherence to the rules and the general spirit of the forum. These rules may be amended at any time to address the current needs of the board.

Please see our full Terms of Service and Privacy Policy for more information.

Thanks for being a part of the COTH forums!

(Revised 1/26/16)
See more
See less

Where to find a lease on a "been-there-done-that" horse

Collapse
X
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • Where to find a lease on a "been-there-done-that" horse

    How do you find a lease deal on a horse to get experience on. I'm talking training-preliminary miles. Everyone is talking about this being the time to look for great lease horses, but I am struggling in finding something like that. Paid lease is pretty obvious, I've checked the area II classifieds and can't seem to find anything near what I am looking for. Struggle!

    Talk to me.
    -Somewhat horseless in Area II.

  • #2
    "Everyone is talking about this being the time to look for great lease horses." Who is saying this? Why don't you ask them?

    I think this is a great time to BUY horses, but it's always impossible to find a great schoolmaster T/P horse. People don't often sell them, and they definitely don't lease them. Why would you lease out a horse like this? I did once, and the horse was nearly ruined for lack of a knowledgable trainer.

    I would only lease a horse to someone who was working very closely with my trainer or one I knew VERY well.
    \"I refuse to engage in a battle of wits with someone who is unarmed.\"--Pogo

    Comment


    • #3
      The really special ones aren't usually advertised, and are unlikely to be available unless you're known to the owner, most likely through your coach.

      I can't imagine leasing one out unless he stayed at "my" barn where I know the coach and I could keep an eye on everything. I've just rarely heard of lease situations ending well, especially not in a demanding sport like eventing.

      I can relate. It took a solid year for Patrick to find me, and it was totally being in the right place at the right time and knowing the right people. I have a good idea how I'm going to conduct the next search, too!
      --
      Wendy
      ... and Patrick

      Comment


      • #4
        I leased a prelim horse- and did it to someone whom "vetted" well, knew her, was boarding at her trainers barn, and I knew that he would have a great home. I was sent pictures, talked to the trainer, and asked about the trainer. Sad as it was, it was okay as I knew it was a good place for him to go.

        Honestly, however, that was a very special situation and was the best for the horse. I did not have the time, nor money, to keep him as the way he was accustomed to living. Spoiled, perhaps, but he was my boy!! He deserved that to say the least.

        As an amateur, if I was not in that particular situation, I would NEVER have done it. A ton of risk as well as hard to see your horse going on with someone else, and not living the joy of being on a great horse. She ended up buying him over time, and it's good for her and for him.

        If you can, buy a good training horse or prelim horse with miles- maybe there is someone going to school or someone who has had a drastic life change and needs to sell. Make sure they know it's a forever home, and sell yourself as a great horse owner. Maybe someplace there is a lease situation like the one described above but if not, expect to spend upwards of 20K. A horse that has been there, done that and can still event is worth their weight in gold.

        Comment


        • #5
          I have the perfect horse, but he isn't supposed to jump anymore! He did advanced when I got him. I did a bunch of trainings and prelims on him and got a ton of experience. If he was still able to jump, I would still be competing him. But I always said, if he couldn't do the higher levels anymore, he could pack someone around novice or training.

          I have another horse I'm bringing up the levels right now, and when I move away from home, I would love to bring my older guy and let someone lease him as a dressage horse. I can't stand to leave him at home and let him just sit there. He needs to be moving.

          I guess I agree with everyone else that if I were to lease him, I would want him to stay at the barn where I was or he was.
          Lindsay

          Check out my blog at http://lindsayberreth.com

          Comment


          • #6
            You won't find a horse to lease until you find a really good instructor. Then through the instructor, they have lines on horses.
            Like if/when I get pregnant, I will be leasing my horse out. But only to one of my instructor's students and maybe possibly to someone she okays outside her program.
            Too much can go wrong and there's a lot of trust that is involved on both parties.
            Even duct tape can't fix stupid

            Comment


            • #7
              There is just so much risk for the owner.... I've seen a dead-honest easy-to-ride jumps-like-an-eq-horse packer wrecked by a supposedly Training level rider who caught him in the mouth (hard) over EVERY freakin' jump. Took less than a month and the horse was NEVER the same again. $40,000 horse ended up as a $5000 Novice horse who needed a RIDE.

              I have a couple of packers for sale at various levels and I would only consider a lease on the expensive ones (the BN/N one is not that expensive) if I knew the rider like a sister. Or better.

              Jennifer
              Third Charm Event Team

              Comment


              • #8
                There was one advertised at the Kentucky Horse Park when we were there for Jumpstart--Training packer. I took the number down but never followed up, my looking is still fairly half-hearted.

                Wish I could remember the lady's name, she was local to area 8.

                There was another advertised on the area 8 adult rider's list, and I contacted her but she never kept in touch after I told her where I lived. She wanted the horse to stay at her barn, I guess.

                So they're out there, but you sort of have to keep your ears open.
                Click here before you buy.

                Comment


                • #9
                  disagree

                  I disagree with many of the previous posters. Granted, I am in VA where there are nice horses a-plenty, but as a former serial leaser, I still stalk the for-lease ads on the regular (for fun, since I now have my own) and I often see nice event horses for lease. The OP may be in an area where there are just not the abundance that there are here. She will find something. Keep scouring the internet, your local tack and feed shops and put a bug in the ears of all of your horsey friends. Hang around local boarding barns too. Word of mouth is the way to find this horse. And patience.

                  Start riding some less-nice horses. I often found that people offered me rides when they saw I was willing to ride anything and that I showed dedication.

                  Correction: Apparently the OP is in Area II. There are tons of nice event horses for lease. I sent you a PM with some ideas.
                  Last edited by mybelle; Oct. 26, 2009, 04:23 PM. Reason: Just realized the OP IS in Area II - duh!

                  Comment


                  • #10
                    I have leases available to me for a couple competitions, nothing for an actual season. All these were from friends. I think you just have to know the people. I'd also love to lease a horse to pack me through a year.
                    To be loved by a horse, or by any animal, should fill us with awe-
                    for we have not deserved it.
                    Marion Garretty

                    Comment


                    • #11
                      Originally posted by mybelle View Post
                      Start riding some less-nice horses. I often found that people offered me rides when they saw I was willing to ride anything and that I showed dedication.
                      There's a big, BIG difference between leasing a "less-nice horse" and a Training/Prelim schoolmaster. As a former serial leaser myself (who bought the last horse I leased because I adored him so much), lease horses are a dime a dozen as a general population--but Training/Prelim schoolmasters are not. There aren't many of them to begin with, and the ones that get leased generally go via word of mouth.

                      I also think the T/P schoolmaster has a short leasing half life. By the time the horse achieves schoolmaster status at that level, it's usually 8+ years old (often 10+ years old). It takes anywhere from 2 to 6+ years for a rider to master BN thru P on a schoolmaster. By the time the horse takes two people up the levels, it gets into that age territory where physical demands necessitate staying below Prelim.

                      To the OP: All the T/P schoolmasters I've known have gone through word of mouth, usually staying either with the same trainer or a trainer that's on good terms with the owners "home trainer". Pony Clubbers have them sometimes too, although those tend to pass purely by word of mouth among PC'ers.
                      Head Geek at The Saddle Geek Blog http://www.thesaddlegeek.com/

                      Comment


                      • #12
                        Check the pony club websites for the regions near you (if you're in Area II, try Virginia, Tri-State, Maryland, Capital, Carolina, and Delmarva for starters). Pony Clubbers do often have horses like this for lease, and while most would probably prefer the horse goes to a PC home, there's no harm in trying.

                        Comment


                        • #13
                          I am the one with annikak's Prelim horse (he is doing Training with me now). annikak is so kind to say what she has said. I was not actively looking for a lease, but the situation just "clicked." In the course of talking to annikak about an unrelated topic we realized that Taco and I might be a good match. It turned out we were right and I wound up with a seriously awesome horse to lease, and then buy. I love him and feel lucky every day that I have him.

                          My advice is to put the word out that you are looking, and ask around. Word of mouth seems to be how these things work.
                          SportHorseRiders.com
                          Taco Blog
                          *T3DE 2010 Pact*

                          Comment

                          Working...
                          X