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  • How old is too old?

    For an OTTB...

    1) quick resale
    2) olympic/advanced level prospect
    3) prelim/one* prospect

    I found this guy and am in LOVE!
    http://pets.webshots.com/photo/26079...03309036iAysZq

    BUT, he's 9. I'm looking for a prospect to take me to prelim/one* (maybe more but not sure?). If the horse doesn't have what it takes, I'll need to sell and I'm wondering if his age might put people off.

    thoughts?

    just for fun ...I'm looking at these right now.
    who would you chose?

    1) Timber Gal: 6 yr old mare 16.3
    http://pets.webshots.com/photo/24918...03309036gPNGpi
    http://www.pedigreequery.com/timber+gal

    2) Doc's Option: 9 yr old gelding 17.0
    http://pets.webshots.com/photo/26079...03309036iAysZq
    http://www.pedigreequery.com/docs+option

    3) Chop Shop: 3 yr old colt 16.2
    http://pets.webshots.com/photo/27897...03309036gVoxxk
    http://www.pedigreequery.com/chop+shop

    4) American Cade: 6 yr gelding 16.0
    http://pets.webshots.com/album/573133926egzVRl
    http://www.pedigreequery.com/american+cade
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    From starting gate to start box!

  • #2
    From past experience, I did not start eventing until my mare was 13 years old. We did Novice, then Training, and then a year at Prelim. We schooled some Intermediate stuff, but I wussed out on her, LOL. She never took a lame step. So, that is my experience with age and the OTTB.

    Of course, she was a tough as nails brood that thought that anything deserved to be jumped, LOL
    ~ Kimberlee
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    • #3
      Of the four, I like Timber Gal and Chop Shop better than the gelding Doc's Option. I don't like the shoulder on the other two, especially not on the 9yo in combination with that wither/neck and long-ish back. I really love the neck on Timber Gal, and the hip/hind end on Chop Shop. Timber Gal is a little long, although proportionately so - she strikes me as more of a hunter-type, and I love her relaxed expression. She reminds me a lot of my mare. Chop Shop is more compact, and his neck is on the shorter, bulkier side (in need of some muscle re-shaping!). I like his shoulder and hip, and at 3 he may still grow. Terrible looking feet, though.

      I'd go with the mare, myself, if you're looking for something that you can re-sell quickly if it doesn't turn out to be enough potential/right fit/right discipline for you. She's 6, tall, and pretty in a very classic, feminine TB way. Give her a nice topline and some weight, and she'll be a knockout. If she was closer, I'd be scrounging my pennies!

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      • #4
        Doc's Option is the spitting image of my Clancy! So I'm a little biased.

        However, Clancy didn't begin his eventing career until he was 10 - I got him when he was 12 and moved him to prelim. We never quite made it to the * - he was awfully quirky.

        He's built like an eventer - uphill, big wither, he looks like he could gallop all day.

        yes, the shoulder could have a little more slope, but he is standing under himself a bit. Go see him.

        The others are nice too.

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        • #5
          Looking for a Prelim/one star level type horse to resale, I would think marketing the horse by 10 years old to be ideal.

          Lower levels, a horse should be marketed by about 12, especially if you are selling as a packer. People looking for this type are looking for a solid record, preferably in the ribbons, and usually closer to 'middle-age' so they do not have to deal with issues arising from age, either young and obnoxious or to old and needing maintenance as soon as they buy him.

          I don't think Doc would be to old to buy now, depending on his temperment. You do not have age to worry about to start jumping and can find out pretty quickly whether or not the horse has the talent for the level you want to do. You can, then adjust your training/riding.

          The three year old will definitely have some growing up to do.

          The two six year olds may still have 'obnoxious teenager' issues to work through.

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          • #6
            Here's one that's for sale on a local website. I think he's a hunk!

            If I didn't already have three...

            http://www.horsesales.com/jungleprince.htm

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            • #7
              I got my horse when he was 8, and had done 1 bn event. The lady that had him extended trot the entire xc course- I knew he had the movement, and she was too scared to let him gallop.

              That spring I did 2 novice's (he won and got third) and then moved him up to training for the fall. The next spring moved him up to prelim and had him there for 3 years and then moved him up to intermediate. Granted, he had a few years rest and became a pastuer ornament after the moveup to intermediate, while I got my job underway...

              He is now 18 and still going strong and my trainer is asking me what my plan is and when I want to move him up to advanced. He is still learning everyday new things and getting better with every ride.
              Today's horses have years and years ahead of them. We have better technology and methods for keeping horses sound and going. I wouldn't count him out if he has 1/2 decent movement/ jump and a good temperment and no major soundness issues. Heck there are horses that are 20 years going around 4* courses.

              Good luck- I think he is very cute. I would consider buying him myself if I was looking. I didn't take a chance to look at the other horses you are looking at. I read that one was a mare- i'm not a mare person!

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              • #8
                I've gone round and round on this one too many times in life. Should I get the horse that's calling out to me, or something more resellable (big, quiet, young, gelding).

                I've done both, and I think it's just a matter of how loudly the horse is calling out to you, and how you view the purchase. Are you really buying it for yourself, or someone else?

                I don't believe that older is bad for eventing (two of my soundest horses had very long race careers) but yes, if he doesn't like eventing and you're selling him next year as a greenish 10 yo, you will get less for him than if we were a greenish 5 yo (but probably still more than you paid for him coming OTT).

                Just depends how much of a risk taker you are.

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                • #9
                  A 9 or 10 year old OTTB is not a prospect (for me anyway). It is a horse that has a failed career that you are looking to restart in a new career - and, if he doesn't work out for you, he will have also proven himself unsuitable for the new career, at least at a certain level. To a potential buyer, that is 2 marks against him, plus age. And, remember, there can be a very big difference from a training standpoint, in terms of what the challenges are, with an older horse that has had a full / different career already, and you cannot assume that if he doesn't work out for you, that he will be willing / able to do lower level eventing either.

                  I don't see anything wrong with giving him a try yourself if you really love him and are prepared to keep him or find him a very good potentially non-eventing home if he doesn't work out. Same could be true for a younger horse, of course, but I would not simply overlook his age if re-selling him is a must.
                  Treat Jockey for Spellbound and Smidgeon

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                  • #10
                    Untouchable

                    I`m pretty sure that Untouchable was 11 when Ben O`Meara got him off the track, and he went on to become one of the USET`s all time great show jumpers.

                    Maybe someone who knows for sure can chime in here?

                    So it can be done, just not the norm.
                    http://www.tamarackhill.com/

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                    • #11
                      The one you're in love with is STUNNING! He has great conformation and his neck is set very high up on his chest. He looks like he would be a good mover based on his uphill build and has a great expression. As far as age goes, it really doesn't matter. It is all based on skill. If he is a good mover and naturally good jumper with a good temperament he could be 5 or 13 and it wouldn't make a difference. It may be harder to train since he could possibly have some bad past training that you have to undo, but i think he looks like a great event prospect. Good luck and have fun! It looks like you have a good guy in your hands.

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                      • #12
                        Of the ones you've mentioned, Doc's Option calls to me as well. HOWEVER, given the huge number of starts that he has had, a PPE would probably be money well spent, including radiographs of knees and ankles. On the other hand, Jessi P is pimping him, isn't she; and she's honest as the day is long and is on CoTH frequently.
                        "I'm a lumberjack, and I'm okay."
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                        • #13
                          Free in Delaware

                          If your in the mood for bargains, the DE site for CANTER has Giveaways who are reported to be sound quite a number of them.

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                          • #14
                            [QUOTE=Speedy;4426762]A 9 or 10 year old OTTB is not a prospect (for me anyway). It is a horse that has a failed career that you are looking to restart in a new career


                            I wouldn't call this a failed career but a successful and long career at the track . A failed career would be one done at 2years of age.....

                            often these campaigners are very successful in their next career with amazing heart and work ethics,
                            ( a thorough PPE would be a good idea)

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by BigMick View Post
                              Here's one that's for sale on a local website. I think he's a hunk!

                              If I didn't already have three...

                              http://www.horsesales.com/jungleprince.htm
                              Someone sent me that one today too... I agree, cute! But I can't quite fork over $2500 for an adoption horse you can't resell if they turn out to be good... but that's just me.

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                              • #16
                                Definitely the mare if you are looking for a potential resale. I agree with bearcombs and would LOVE to see her with some weight!!!!!!!
                                INCONCEIVABLE!

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                                • #17
                                  Originally posted by denny View Post
                                  I`m pretty sure that Untouchable was 11 when Ben O`Meara got him off the track, and he went on to become one of the USET`s all time great show jumpers.

                                  Maybe someone who knows for sure can chime in here?

                                  So it can be done, just not the norm.
                                  According to Dr. Birdsall, Untouchable was born in 1952 and was jumping at the International GP level in 1964. He continued to jump internationally in Nations Cups through 1968. The Show jumping Hall of Fame says he was bought as a jumper in 1962 and started as a green 11 year old jumper and had an undefeated season in 1963.
                                  http://www.showjumpinghalloffame.net...ouchable.shtml
                                  "I'm a lumberjack, and I'm okay."
                                  Thread killer Extraordinaire

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                                  • #18
                                    Originally posted by Speedy View Post
                                    A 9 or 10 year old OTTB is not a prospect (for me anyway). It is a horse that has a failed career that you are looking to restart in a new career
                                    Not necessarily true. If the horse was successful at racing, he is not a horse that has had a "failed" career. If he is 6-7 years old, mostly paid his/her way AND retired sound or even semi-sound, he/she is NOT "failed" -- in fact they are a blooming miracle!

                                    A horse of this age has been tested in the fires -- you know his mind, his outlook, his "permanent" conformation, his ability (to a great degree) -- with a 3 yr.old or even a 4 year old alot of that is still just guesswork.

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                                    • #19
                                      Originally posted by vineyridge View Post
                                      According to Dr. Birdsall, Untouchable was born in 1952 and was jumping at the International GP level in 1964. He continued to jump internationally in Nations Cups through 1968. The Show jumping Hall of Fame says he was bought as a jumper in 1962 and started as a green 11 year old jumper and had an undefeated season in 1963.
                                      http://www.showjumpinghalloffame.net...ouchable.shtml
                                      So it took him only 2 years of training to go from a race horse to a GP jumper? Good for him! And, far be it from me to disagree with Denny (she says, as she pauses to disagree )...but I don't think it's that rare at all.

                                      Maybe to go to the International GP level -- let's face it, that's rare for any horse (or rider). But for a 9-12 yr old TB to stay sound, learn new things and compete successfully in eventing/steeple chases/point-to-point? Not THAT rare....

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                                      • #20
                                        [quote=idtogo;4427018]
                                        Originally posted by Speedy View Post
                                        A 9 or 10 year old OTTB is not a prospect (for me anyway). It is a horse that has a failed career that you are looking to restart in a new career


                                        I wouldn't call this a failed career but a successful and long career at the track . A failed career would be one done at 2years of age.....

                                        often these campaigners are very successful in their next career with amazing heart and work ethics,
                                        ( a thorough PPE would be a good idea)
                                        THANKYOU! Will Faudree's 1st upper level horse (I know he went intermediate) was at least 9 (mayber older) b4 he started his eventing career. I restarted a 9 yr old that had run for 6yrs. The only reason he never did above novice was because the girl I sold him to was a timid rider. He had big time potential, but my biggest concern was that he got a well deserved good home.
                                        "Everyone will start to cheer, when you put on your sailin shoes"-Lowell George

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