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What skill level is a C3 Pony Clubber?

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  • What skill level is a C3 Pony Clubber?

    I have tried w/o success to access the USPC website -- so I'm asking here. Would you call a C3 PCer a beginner, intermediate or what level rider? Would you think they are capable of riding a horse that is green in many situations and has very little schooling o/f? I know there are variables, I'm just trying to get an idea.

  • #2
    A C3 is *roughly* equivalent to a Training Level Event rider (or possibly novice getting ready to go Training). When I say "roughly", equivalent, that means they may not truly be capable of going out and running a full Training Level Horse Trials... or they may be ready to go prelim -- can really vary based upon their other qualifications/horse. They are not a beginner by any means, but are usually demonstrating their skill level on seasoned mounts -- they are not expected to have the skills to bring a horse up to that level.

    I would NOT use a C3 Pony Club rating alone as an absolute credential for starting a green horse over fences or being capable of riding a green horse. They might be or they might not be and a lot depends on the horse in question. Personally, if this person is still a junior, I don't think it is appropriate (but I am extremely conservative). We have had several C3's in our barn and they are excellent riders (way better than me!). However, I still wouldn't put them on a green horse nor expect them to introduce/train them over fences (again, very safety minded and just don't think they need to do that yet).

    Hope that helps?
    Last edited by SevenDogs; Oct. 7, 2009, 05:59 PM.


    • #3
      A C3 should be proficient at Training Level. Check on the USPC website under forms...search for C3 Rating.


      • #4
        they are not ment to be able to ride green horses at the c3 level


        • #5
          The pony club site is down: but I found this 2004 C-3 checklist. http://www.fallbrookponyclub.com/for...lification.pdf


          • #6
            In the Pony Club book, it states that C Level is considered "Intermediate." And, C-3 is the "beginning of advanced horsemanship." Keep in mind, Pony Club rates you on riding AND horsemanship.

            You want to be able to ride from inside leg to outside rein, properly bending a horse, use half halts, know basic lateral work, how to make proper transitions and, etc. So, probably somewhere around 1st or 2nd level dressage.

            As far as jumping, you want to have good jumping form over both stadium and cross country fences, and be able to see your distances, and know your cross country pace. I can't remember what the fence heights are, but I would assume at least Training Level Eventing.

            Again, they pay a lot of attention to horsemanship, so you will need to have good working knowledge of veterinary care, shoeing and trimming, nutrition, conformation and soundness, etc.

            I hope that helps. I was in Pony Club years ago, and only made it up to C-2 before turning 18. I think you have until 21 or so to continue through Pony Club now.

            FYI, you can buy the Pony Club Manuals online or in some tack shops.


            • #7
              The USPC website has been down all day.

              The testing for C3's does not include riding green horses.

              But I have seen C3's who are capable of it and other C3's....not so much
              Depends on the individual.


              • #8
                Originally posted by breyerblu View Post
                But I have seen C3's who are capable of it and other C3's....not so much
                Depends on the individual.
                Also depends on who the examiner was that passed them...
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                • #9
                  oh yeah...sad but true.
                  Also depends on who the examiner was that passed them...
                  also--the ratings changed at the start of this year. They have been watered down. a C2 no longer has to ride w/o stirrups at all gaits. That now starts at the C3 level.

                  You'd have to judge each rider with the horse. My daughter has her 2nd green project. She is not a C3 but started a pony at 10 and that pony has been to Championships in games and also is an avid foxhunter. She now has another 3 year old...and this pony will go to the hunter ring in Greens next year. Both were very sane and safe ponies for a young girl to start.


                  • #10
                    C3 is a national rating, and from what I have seen nothing has been watered down. There are two or three examiners coming from different parts of the country expecting the rider to come in "owning" the test. Besides expecting a competent and knowledgeable rider, that rider better be confident in everything they do.

                    However, there is nothing about training green horses at the C3 level. And they do like to see horses that are "appropriate" for the rating.

                    Now that it is at the National level, I have seen less disparity between the kids obtaining this rating than when it was at the regional level.


                    • #11
                      I was a C-2 in PC when I quit. I could have easily done my C-3, but my club required you to ride with their instructor to "prep" you and I was not at all impressed with the riders that the instructor was putting out and refused to ride with her. I therefore quit PC shortly after. I was riding my own horse at Training/Prelim and schooled a lot of Intermediate questions(who I bought as a very calm/quiet 4y/o doing BN). I also rode/helped start a few of my trainers OTTB's. That said there were a few of our C-2 and up PCers I wouldn't have let use my horse based on their track records with their own horses. It really does vary!
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                      • #12
                        I just recently got my C3 and what the PIP (head tester) said at the end of my rating was exactly what you guys said "We passed some who are knocking on the B door and others who are just climbing through the C3 window". The only reason it took me this long to get mine is because I didnt have a horse to do it on.
                        The levels vary a lot and I would never go to a new barn to ride horses for them and only state that I am a C3 pony clubber.
                        I work with OTTBs rehabbing them when they get off the track and I have started quite a few over fences, including my own who is about to go training level. And I got this opportunity from a racehorse adoption agency after they saw the success I had with mine (with the help of my trainer). There are a couple of C3's I know that I would not let them get on some of my younger ones.

                        I would say that a B or an HA, and definitely an A, should have the knowledge and level of riding to ride a green horse and even start them over fences, and could go to a barn saying they're that level and have the barn trust them, to an extent.

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                        • Original Poster

                          Thanks all that responded! Very good information and insight. I am asking for a horse that I bred and trained that is being asked about by a C3 eventer. He is not a baby, but has not had much off the farm experience -- has not shown/cliniced or seen that kind of activity. He has not had alot of schoolling over fences, but is pretty solid in his dressage foundation and trail rides. He is mostly very good and listens, very soft to the aids and very talented, but is very aware of everything around him and quite keen, needs a rider that has the skill level to help him if necessary. He doesn't have any issues, very sweet and willing and fun, I just want him well matched -- he is quite special to me. Thanks, I'll see what develops.


                          • #14
                            C3 is now a specialty rating, meaning that a pc kid can get a C3in dressage, show jumping or traditional(eventing). This changed in the past year or so when the HB was introduced. During the national testing which typically involves 3 national examiners candidates are expected to switch mounts and must be able to ride the switch horse as well as the owner/rider.
                            WE were at NAJYRCs doing the CIC* and all kids on the team came from pony club backgrounds..we had 2 Bs and 2 C3s on our team.
                            Technically it is not until the A rating that kids have to be 'trainers' but by C3 level they may have any great skills. A C3 should be equivalent to a training level eventer. There should be sound horse management practices...
                            I would anticipate that a C3 have the skills you are looking for...
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                            • #15
                              depends on examiner, specialty, a variety of variables.

                              IMO a C-3 SHOULD be quite proficient with a green horse. They should have exceptional horse management practices as well.


                              • #16

                                I took my C3 way back when I was in Pony Club. I think that giving a rating level is a good place to start, gives people a basic idea of your skills.

                                As far as riding green horses... I recall from prepping for my C3 that a C3 rider was expected to be able to get on a new or strange horse, and ride it and either improve it slightly or at least not mess it up. In my testing for the switch horses, the examiners expected riders to be able to perform as well or better than the mount's original rider. By "better" it sometimes meant simply getting a horse forward. Could have been more complex, like getting more correct lateral work.

                                I feel a C3 is a good foundation and a fairly good descriptor, but in no means a credential that speaks to how well a particular rider will get on with a particular horse. It in no way recognizes an ability to train a green horse.

                                A really close friend of mine got her C3 at a relatively young age. She wasn't the type that I'd put on a green horse, not because she didnt have the knowledge or skills, but because of her temperment and personal philosophy of riding. I've seen other C3s that are capable of tactfully riding a green horse.

                                And finally, even though I girded my loins and got through my C3 on my pony, I don't like riding a hot or spooky horse, or really jumping much over the C3 height in the least. So the C3 that contacted you might be CAPABLE of riding your guy but may not be the type of ride she's looking for.

                                Hope this ramble helps some!


                                • #17
                                  The traditional C3 certainly has the proficiency to go out and event at training (given an appropriate horse). As others have said, just because the test doesn't require proficiency in riding/training green horses doesn't mean that the rider doesn't have those skills. For every rider who passes on a made horse, I'd bet there's one who passes on a horse she made herself. Or, nearly as many.

                                  The C3 candidate must demonstrate a certain level of maturity and understanding of riding theory to pass, no matter how good a rider she might be. I feel like the rating is actually a better indicator of riding and horsemanship skills than a really good record at training level, in a lot of cases.

                                  I would be very encouraged if a C3 or above PCer contacted me about a horse. Certainly, she might not get along with the horse, but she's probably a pretty competent rider.


                                  • #18
                                    There really is huge variation in what can pass at any pony club rating. Sometimes candidates just barely eek by, and sometimes they exceed expectations. I took my C3 5 or so years ago and I would say that I was a pretty solid training level rider at the time, but had little experience with very green horses. At the same time, the horse that I had at the time was an uber sensitive TB who could have "green" moments from time to time so when I started working green horses a couple years later it was an easy transition. I think that a rider who properly prepared for their C3 by sitting on a lot of different types of horses should be able to adapt and cope with a green horse. The reason being that you never know what someone is going to bring to ride at a testing that you might have to switch onto.


                                    • #19
                                      [quote=OneMoreForTheRoad;4424732]I just recently got my C3 and what the PIP (head tester) said at the end of my rating was exactly what you guys said "We passed some who are knocking on the B door and others who are just climbing through the C3 window".

                                      Very well put. Definitely depends on the rider. My son only reached C-2 level, but competes at Intermediate with an eye towards moving up and is an A grade polocrosse player.

                                      Bosox - got your message - Mr. PM is still out of the country and won't make the BOG meeting, but he will forward your comments on.



                                      • #20
                                        Originally posted by specialK View Post
                                        C3 is now a specialty rating, meaning that a pc kid can get a C3in dressage, show jumping or traditional(eventing).
                                        What? This makes me really sad. I am sorry but the entire purpose was to produce horsemen(women) and they should be able to do all of those things. All the old time dressage and show jumping specialists managed to achieve their national ratings just fine.

                                        I was prepped for all of my national ratings by a local hunter jumper pro who was an "A" graduate, and I took the majority of my ratings with a good friend who was an equitation rider. Not to mention for a good period of time I was the only eventer in my "show jumping" pony club (it put on an A rated show that held a grand prix) and the club had the highest number of HA/A in the area.

                                        I have noticed myself in the lower level testings I do that the tack and the horses are not as clean as they were even 5-8 years ago. It all makes me sad, I think Pony Club is one of the best institutions there is.