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  • tipperary vest not legal in '10?

    our local tack shop is telling people that the tipperary vest won't be legal for eventing next year - anyone know if this is true, or just a rumour?

  • #2
    Legal or AMST/BETA approved?

    It has been my understanding that the Tipperary Eventer (the non-solid vest) is not AMST approved and has a lower BETA rating than solid vest but the USEA doesn't require AMST or high BETA levels.
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    • #3
      I heard that they might be changing the rules for vests and approval for vests... but it might just be a rumor...

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        #4
        the shop is steering clients away from the Tipperarys, saying that next year the USEA is requiring AMST/BETA-approved vests.

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        • #5
          I can find nothing about it in either -

          The list of approved rule changes to take effect Dec 1 09
          http://www.usef.org/_IFrames/RuleBook/Changes/2010.aspx

          NOR
          The list of Eventing Rule Change Proposals.
          http://www.usef.org/_IFrames/RuleBoo...spx?chapter=EV
          Janet

          chief feeder and mucker for Music, Spy, Belle and Tiara. Someone else is now feeding and mucking for Chief and Brain (both foxhunting now).

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            #6
            excellent. thanks, janet!

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            • #7
              There still might be something going on "behind the scenes" But nothing I can find on the USEF web site.
              Janet

              chief feeder and mucker for Music, Spy, Belle and Tiara. Someone else is now feeding and mucking for Chief and Brain (both foxhunting now).

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              • #8
                Does anyone know John Nunn, to ask him?
                Being the premier eventing retailer I would think he would be in on the latest, if anything is in the air.
                Gee I hope IF they make any changes to this they do it to give us plenty of time to budget for new vests, and for the retailers to get stock! I know my size won't be on the shelves.
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                • #9
                  If this does happen I'd be surprised, just because the vests aren't certified doesn't mean they are not safe and prevent a lot of injuries.

                  I'd also be mad because my very expensive custom vest would have to be put away, and I think its way to pretty to sit in my closet
                  Chrissy

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by OneMoreForTheRoad View Post
                    I'd also be mad because my very expensive custom vest would have to be put away
                    I have 3 Tipperaries!! Like when my old racing skull cap wasn't certified -- yrs ago. I had already tested it out many times!! It just wasn't new.
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                    • #11
                      What?! I JUST bought my tipp. vest and haven't even worn it in a competition yet! I hope this isn't true, or I am not going to be a happy camper.
                      Mel

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                      • #12
                        Here's my take on it -
                        Right about a year ago, I went into the tack shop to window shop at new vests - just before my first horst trial in many many years. They paniced me! I was planning on wearning my older Tipperary until I could settle on something new - but they said it wasn't approved and implied it wasn't legal. I paniced and ran home to get my rule book - I think it was about 2 days before the HT!! I think there is great confusion between the words "legal and approved" - because they do not mean the same things for helmets and vests. A helmet is only legal if it is approved. Not the same for body protectors, at least not right now.

                        Here is the current rule:
                        A body protecting vest must be worn warming-up for and in the cross-country test.
                        Stable, team or club colors are permitted. The Federation recommends that the vest
                        should pass or surpass the current ASTM standard F1937 or be certified by the Safety
                        Equipment Institute.

                        So, you must wear a vest - they hope you choose to have an approved vest. Any vest is better than no vest. I have learned through other discussions on this board that the reason the Tipperaries are not "approved" is because the gaps between the padding could allow something to puncture through - not because the foam is bad or anything.

                        Although, with all the knee-jerk rule changes recently, this may be a faulty assumption - but I cannot imagine they would make a rule change like that without giving fair warning - and I'm quite sure Tipperary would be campaigning like crazy to stop it! Note that on the USEA convention schedule, there is a session on 2010 rule changes. If it doesn't come up on its own, maybe that is a good place to ask the question and see if anything is in the works for years to come??
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                        • #13
                          I've been hearing this rumor for at least two years. I even had someone come into the store I work at now tell me that her daughter's Pony Club is requiring a ASTM-approved vest. However, every time I have looked for verification I have found nothing regarding certified vests. Very irritating, as I have two Tipperary vests and the prices of Charles Owens or Aerowears make replacing them pretty out of reach.
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                          • #14
                            can the moderators just KILL this thread. Janet has already looked up pending rules. All this does is fuel a fire.

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                            • #15
                              The jockeys at CT this week were told their tipperariers were no longer legal and they have to change to BETA approved vests within the week.

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                              • #16
                                Originally posted by Muleskick View Post
                                The jockeys at CT this week were told their tipperariers were no longer legal and they have to change to BETA approved vests within the week.
                                Where? What country?

                                Do you really mean "jockeys"? Or are you talking about eventers?
                                Janet

                                chief feeder and mucker for Music, Spy, Belle and Tiara. Someone else is now feeding and mucking for Chief and Brain (both foxhunting now).

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                                • #17
                                  Yes real jockeys at Charlestown Race Track in Charlestown, WV. And yes I know you are talking about eventers, I just thought it was interesting that they are changing the rules as well.

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                                  • #18
                                    I really do hope it's not true, I just bought a nice used Tipp. and I love it. I can't really afford to be spending money on a vest when I only go to an event maybe twice a year.
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                                    • #19
                                      I have a tipp. as well. At the local tack shop I go to I overheard a conversation about how they might not meet legal standards because of the way they have strings running up the sides. The employee there said that people were loosening the strings and making the vests disfunctional. Granted, she could have been wrong. But it does make sense that the spaces between the padding are making the vest unsafe too.

                                      I'd be really upset if this rule change came about. I love my vest! And it wasn't cheap either...

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                                      • #20
                                        Standards of vests

                                        *BETA/EN 13158 Safety Standards for Riding Vests
                                        Developed by the British Equestrian Trade Association, this standard is applicable in the United Kingdom but not in North America.
                                        The BETA 2000 standard is divided into 3 performance levels:

                                        Level 3 – Protectors providing a level of protection that is considered appropriate for normal horse riding, competitions and for working with horses. Protectors to this level should:
                                        * Prevent minor bruising that would have produced stiffness and pain.
                                        * Reduce significant soft tissue injuries to the level of bruising.
                                        * Prevent a limited number of rib fractures.

                                        Level 2 – Protectors providing a lower than normal level of protection that is only considered appropriate for use in low risk situations. These do not include riding on roads or other hard surfaces, riding over jumps, riding young or excitable horses, or riding while still inexperienced.

                                        Level 1 – Protectors providing a lower level of protection that is only considered appropriate for liscensed jockeys. Level 1 provides significantly less protection than a Level 2 garment as it is designed to meet the weight requirements of jockeys while racing. It is not intended for general horse riding.

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