• Welcome to the Chronicle Forums.
    Please complete your profile. The forums and the rest of www.chronofhorse.com has single sign-in, so your log in information for one will automatically work for the other. Disclaimer: The opinions expressed here are the views of the individual and do not necessarily reflect the views and opinions of The Chronicle of the Horse.

Announcement

Collapse

Forum rules and no-advertising policy

As a participant on this forum, it is your responsibility to know and follow our rules. Please read this message in its entirety.

Board Rules

1. You’re responsible for what you say.
As outlined in Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, The Chronicle of the Horse and its affiliates, as well Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd., the developers of vBulletin, are not legally responsible for statements made in the forums.

This is a public forum viewed by a wide spectrum of people, so please be mindful of what you say and who might be reading it—details of personal disputes are likely better handled privately. While posters are legally responsible for their statements, the moderators may in their discretion remove or edit posts that violate these rules. Users have the ability to modify or delete their own messages after posting, but administrators generally will not delete posts, threads or accounts upon request.

Outright inflammatory, vulgar, harassing, malicious or otherwise inappropriate statements and criminal charges unsubstantiated by a reputable news source or legal documentation will not be tolerated and will be dealt with at the discretion of the moderators.

2. Conversations in horse-related forums should be horse-related.
The forums are a wonderful source of information and support for members of the horse community. While it’s understandably tempting to share information or search for input on other topics upon which members might have a similar level of knowledge, members must maintain the focus on horses.

3. Keep conversations productive, on topic and civil.
Discussion and disagreement are inevitable and encouraged; personal insults, diatribes and sniping comments are unproductive and unacceptable. Whether a subject is light-hearted or serious, keep posts focused on the current topic and of general interest to other participants of that thread. Utilize the private message feature or personal email where appropriate to address side topics or personal issues not related to the topic at large.

4. No advertising in the discussion forums.
Posts in the discussion forums directly or indirectly advertising horses, jobs, items or services for sale or wanted will be removed at the discretion of the moderators. Use of the private messaging feature or email addresses obtained through users’ profiles for unsolicited advertising is not permitted.

Company representatives may participate in discussions and answer questions about their products or services, or suggest their products on recent threads if they fulfill the criteria of a query. False "testimonials" provided by company affiliates posing as general consumers are not appropriate, and self-promotion of sales, ad campaigns, etc. through the discussion forums is not allowed.

Paid advertising is available on our classifieds site and through the purchase of banner ads. The tightly monitored Giveaways forum permits free listings of genuinely free horses and items available or wanted (on a limited basis). Items offered for trade are not allowed.

Advertising Policy Specifics
When in doubt of whether something you want to post constitutes advertising, please contact a moderator privately in advance for further clarification. Refer to the following points for general guidelines:

Horses – Only general discussion about the buying, leasing, selling and pricing of horses is permitted. If the post contains, or links to, the type of specific information typically found in a sales or wanted ad, and it’s related to a horse for sale, regardless of who’s selling it, it doesn’t belong in the discussion forums.

Stallions – Board members may ask for suggestions on breeding stallion recommendations. Stallion owners may reply to such queries by suggesting their own stallions, only if their horse fits the specific criteria of the original poster. Excessive promotion of a stallion by its owner or related parties is not permitted and will be addressed at the discretion of the moderators.

Services – Members may use the forums to ask for general recommendations of trainers, barns, shippers, farriers, etc., and other members may answer those requests by suggesting themselves or their company, if their services fulfill the specific criteria of the original post. Members may not solicit other members for business if it is not in response to a direct, genuine query.

Products – While members may ask for general opinions and suggestions on equipment, trailers, trucks, etc., they may not list the specific attributes for which they are in the market, as such posts serve as wanted ads.

Event Announcements – Members may post one notification of an upcoming event that may be of interest to fellow members, if the original poster does not benefit financially from the event. Such threads may not be “bumped” excessively. Premium members may post their own notices in the Event Announcements forum.

Charities/Rescues – Announcements for charitable or fundraising events can only be made for 501(c)(3) tax-exempt organizations. Special exceptions may be made, at the moderators’ discretion and direction, for board-related events or fundraising activities in extraordinary circumstances.

Occasional posts regarding horses available for adoption through IRS-registered horse rescue or placement programs are permitted in the appropriate forums, but these threads may be limited at the discretion of the moderators. Individuals may not advertise or make announcements for horses in need of rescue, placement or adoption unless the horse is available through a recognized rescue or placement agency or government-run entity or the thread fits the criteria for and is located in the Giveaways forum.

5. Do not post copyrighted photographs unless you have purchased that photo and have permission to do so.

6. Respect other members.
As members are often passionate about their beliefs and intentions can easily be misinterpreted in this type of environment, try to explore or resolve the inevitable disagreements that arise in the course of threads calmly and rationally.

If you see a post that you feel violates the rules of the board, please click the “alert” button (exclamation point inside of a triangle) in the bottom left corner of the post, which will alert ONLY the moderators to the post in question. They will then take whatever action, or no action, as deemed appropriate for the situation at their discretion. Do not air grievances regarding other posters or the moderators in the discussion forums.

Please be advised that adding another user to your “Ignore” list via your User Control Panel can be a useful tactic, which blocks posts and private messages by members whose commentary you’d rather avoid reading.

7. We have the right to reproduce statements made in the forums.
The Chronicle of the Horse may copy, quote, link to or otherwise reproduce posts, or portions of posts, in print or online for advertising or editorial purposes, if attributed to their original authors, and by posting in this forum, you hereby grant to The Chronicle of the Horse a perpetual, non-exclusive license under copyright and other rights, to do so.

8. We reserve the right to enforce and amend the rules.
The moderators may delete, edit, move or close any post or thread at any time, or refrain from doing any of the foregoing, in their discretion, and may suspend or revoke a user’s membership privileges at any time to maintain adherence to the rules and the general spirit of the forum. These rules may be amended at any time to address the current needs of the board.

Please see our full Terms of Service and Privacy Policy for more information.

Thanks for being a part of the COTH forums!

(Revised 1/26/16)
See more
See less

Working Student -- Should I or Shouldn't I?

Collapse
X
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • Working Student -- Should I or Shouldn't I?

    ...and if I have to even ask in the first place, is that an answer in itself?

    I'm in my last of my undergraduate degree and am trying to develop a "plan" for myself for the next couple of years. While I have no interest in riding professionally and do intend to return to school and get my MBA after getting my work experience in the corporate world, I am very interested in being a working student for a year after I graduate. I'm very aware that it will probably be my one of my last chances to do something like that (soon-to-be fiancé will be returning to USMA and I'll have to do the army-wife thing once he graduates).

    I just started eventing this summer with my pony and the more we progress, the more I find out how ridiculously talented he is. Having never done eventing myself before and him only having been in under-saddle training for a little over two years, I don't have nearly all the things in my toolbox that I could. I feel like with the right sort of instruction, we could end up going very far. Again, I'm not looking to ride professionally, but there is a fire in me that really wants to see what he and I could accomplish. I've never really enjoyed showing much before this summer, but now I get a rush from events and every time one ends, it makes me that much more excited to go to another. The fire grew that much more when I took him over a Training course today and he cleared the tables (that looked almost as big as him!) with a foot to spare (I saw pictorial proof too!!), not a blink of an eye, and with the kind of heart that tells me he could do so, so much more.

    I don't think I'd be able to get the sort of instruction I could as a working student if I found a place to work and took occasional lessons. I understand that being a working student can be downright miserable at times and it's a grueling lifestyle...but I also feel like it would be an amazing experience to have in my life and that the knowledge gained would be so worth it.

    Is this a juvenile desire that I should steer clear of unless I know I want to go into the horse world professionally? Or should I take advantage of my youth, opportunities, and an amazing horse while I still can?
    "Last time I picked your feet, you broke my toe!"

  • #2
    What is your chosen profession???? That will help to know in replying since some professions will allow more leeway!

    Comment


    • #3
      I have a friend who doesn't ride competitively or professionally in any way (apart from the occasional 'tune up' session or a beginner riding lesson or two for barn mates and friends) who was a WS for a year with a VERY BNT and she seems to have really enjoyed the experience even though it was a lot of hard work. I think some of that is down to who you end up with - if it's a good pairing you'll learn a lot from it (not necessarily just about horses, either, but about people skills and so on) but if it's a bad one you'll just be miserable and feel like you've wasted your time.

      But certainly if you can afford to do it (and assume also that it might not work out so you might have to find a different job partway through the year - even if the situation is working for you, you might get injured or something and that needs to be taken into consideration) then it seems like it might be a worthwhile thing to do just for yourself - not every learning experience we have needs to be directly applicable to a career.

      (Like I said, you can learn a lot about yourself and other people in all manner of environments - and depending on how you 'sell' it later on, it could actually make you more appealing for a job than someone who has only had the college+grad school experience, because you have real world experience and might have had to deal creatively with all kinds of issues.)

      Comment


      • #4
        The time to do interesting, offbeat, challenging things is when you are young, and your life isn't as complicated as it will get later (mortgage, kids etc etc etc).

        Ask yourself, if you were on your deathbed looking back at your life, would you regret not trying?
        https://www.facebook.com/SugarMapleFarm
        Follow us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/peonyvodka/
        www.PeonyVodka.com

        Comment

        • Original Poster

          #5
          Joharavhf- my degree is going to be in Mass Communication (so a combination of marketing/advertising/some journalism) with a double-minor in English and PR. I don't know exactly what profession I'll end up liking, but right now I'd really like to work in the e-commerce/e-marketing sides of equine retailers/organizations. I figure it's a way to work with an industry I know well and enjoy while still being realistic!

          kdow- thanks that's what I'm thinking too!

          SMF11- that's a good way to look at it. I think it would be something I would always wonder "what if?" about and once the opportunity passes, I will sorely regret it.
          "Last time I picked your feet, you broke my toe!"

          Comment


          • #6
            I was in the exact same position as you (except different major and looking at longer term MS/PhD, not MBA) last spring.

            I have a horse who I think has a lot of potential, and I wanted an opportunity to focus entirely on him and take him as far as I could under a trainer. I was burnt out of school, but I never really wanted to ride professionally full-time. And I still wanted graduate school to be in the near future.

            So I inquired with the trainer I rode with the summer before--and she happened to be in need of a working student, so I made the decision to go ahead and do the working student thing.

            I don't regret the decision at all. Luckily I have a family that is willing to support me for this year, that has made an invaluable difference, though it is difficult balancing family obligations vs working student vs long-distance relationship with my boyfriend. But it's working as I've figured out ways to get everything balanced. Be realistic, upfront, and OPEN about your goals, other things in your life that could conflict with working student schedules, and your financial ability to show/clinic/etc.

            I also had lessoned with my trainer for a summer prior to the working student situation kind of falling into my lap. That helped--knowing her training style, horses etc. BUT it is an entirely different relationship, seeing a "trainer" outside of that role and you need to make sure that your personalities can work together as well.

            Good luck!

            Comment


            • #7
              Thanks for posting this. I am going to be a sophomore in college this year, and I'm thinking I would REALLY like to do a 1-year or less WS stint sometime before I head out into "the real world." Not interested in riding professionally - just in, as you put it, adding more tools to my toolbox.

              Haven't figured out the specifics yet but I'm glad I'm not the only one thinking of doing it!

              Comment


              • #8
                hmmmmmm.....

                I say if you DO IT, do it BIG. Don't go with some no name trainer. Go for one of the bigger ones.

                Comment


                • #9
                  Most of the kids we know who became working students did not get a lot out of it. You will probably not get a full range of lessons and experiences. Everything depends on the needs of the trainer.

                  I think you would be better off getting a job with flexible hours and paying for the lessons you want and need. Go to an awesome dressage person for some really good dressage lessons. Spend a week every month with a big name event rider. Go to Florida for a few weeks in the winter and to the Northeast in the summer. The problem is always finding a job that will let you have flexible hours or flex place, while still paying you enough so you can live. I agree that now is the time to do something fun. It is just hard to get it arranged so you get the experiences you want.

                  Comment


                  • #10
                    Originally posted by SMF11 View Post
                    The time to do interesting, offbeat, challenging things is when you are young, and your life isn't as complicated as it will get later (mortgage, kids etc etc etc).

                    Ask yourself, if you were on your deathbed looking back at your life, would you regret not trying?
                    This is something I can relate to. . . I have regretted not staying longer as a working student in my youth. I left for practical reasons, but probably could have worked it out and stayed longer.

                    Comment


                    • #11
                      No advice, as such, but I'm going to follow up one of the previous posts with a quote I think is relevant:

                      Never regret anything, because at one point it was exactly what you wanted.

                      Comment


                      • #12
                        Do it! But not in Maine
                        Proud and achy member of the Eventing Grannies clique.

                        Comment


                        • #13
                          Originally posted by joharavhf View Post
                          hmmmmmm.....

                          I say if you DO IT, do it BIG. Don't go with some no name trainer. Go for one of the bigger ones.
                          Don't the BNT's charge for you to be a working student? And isn't it expensive?
                          www.OneJumpAhead.ca

                          Comment


                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Ravencrest_Camp View Post
                            Don't the BNT's charge for you to be a working student? And isn't it expensive?
                            Not all of them. it depends on the BNT and the individual deal you broker with them. Ask for what you want then compromise! Paying positions are few and far between, though, and are held by permanent staff.

                            If you are not paid be prepaired to either live with much younger working students/ staff OR rent your own place. The work ranges from very basic, ie. mucking stalls, turning in / out, grooming, tacking up, basic work around the farm - to being able to ride a range of horses, help and big events and to be privy to what goes in to training event horses to the international level.

                            I say do it - but yes go with a bigger name... maybe not the biggest names, since they might have waiting lists of young riders who ARE going to make horses their careers and so would get priority.

                            Comment


                            • #15
                              I'd say look around and see who is actually taking on WS (never know b/c of the economy right now, everyone has been tight). Def. get realistic info before making your big decision I can tell you as a working person I'd love to have had more time working with my horse and other horses before going into the grind of the workforce.

                              I would caution you to know your financial options & availability. For the most part masters programs don't offer financial assistance, aside from loans. SO if getting your MBA is a high priority down the road don't make it an impossible one b/c of becoming a WS now.

                              It's a tricky decision but I'm sure that whatever you decide you'll make it work. Best of luck!

                              Comment


                              • #16
                                I agree that you should give it a shot. I wish this was something I had considered/had available to me when I was 21-ish.

                                However, I would add that you should have a Plan B, and maybe even a Plan C, in place in case it doesn't work out.
                                -Debbie / NH

                                My Blog: http://deborahsulli.blogspot.com/

                                Comment


                                • #17
                                  with caution!

                                  You are getting excellent advice!Is your family willing to support you while you do this?I was afraid of the WS with a BNT because I did not have my own horse so, went with WS at Morven Park; and, though I rode some wonderful school horses ; there was no "real world experience" either in competing or barn management; no owners. boarders.l, vets or farriers to deal with or hay man or feed store; they were all there but, we did not interact/ interface)() with them on the business end; the art of dealing with these various and varied individuals; would be worthwhile to learn; If you have a dream like this, do it now, while you are young; but, do have something to fall back on;I would say if, you can get job in your academic area right out of school, go for it; figure out how much money you will need to do this later and set that aside every month; be sure to get a written agreement as to hours and duties; and how much notice is required on either side
                                  breeder of Mercury!

                                  remember to enjoy the moment, and take a moment to enjoy and give God the glory for these wonderful horses in our lives.BECAUSE: LIFE is What Happens While Making Other Plans

                                  Comment

                                  Working...
                                  X