• Welcome to the Chronicle Forums.
    Please complete your profile. The forums and the rest of www.chronofhorse.com has single sign-in, so your log in information for one will automatically work for the other. Disclaimer: The opinions expressed here are the views of the individual and do not necessarily reflect the views and opinions of The Chronicle of the Horse.

Announcement

Collapse

Forum rules and no-advertising policy

As a participant on this forum, it is your responsibility to know and follow our rules. Please read this message in its entirety.

Board Rules

1. You’re responsible for what you say.
As outlined in Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, The Chronicle of the Horse and its affiliates, as well Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd., the developers of vBulletin, are not legally responsible for statements made in the forums.

This is a public forum viewed by a wide spectrum of people, so please be mindful of what you say and who might be reading it—details of personal disputes are likely better handled privately. While posters are legally responsible for their statements, the moderators may in their discretion remove or edit posts that violate these rules. Users have the ability to modify or delete their own messages after posting, but administrators generally will not delete posts, threads or accounts upon request.

Outright inflammatory, vulgar, harassing, malicious or otherwise inappropriate statements and criminal charges unsubstantiated by a reputable news source or legal documentation will not be tolerated and will be dealt with at the discretion of the moderators.

Credible threats of suicide will be reported to the police along with identifying user information at our disposal, in addition to referring the user to suicide helpline resources such as 1-800-SUICIDE or 1-800-273-TALK.

2. Conversations in horse-related forums should be horse-related.
The forums are a wonderful source of information and support for members of the horse community. While it’s understandably tempting to share information or search for input on other topics upon which members might have a similar level of knowledge, members must maintain the focus on horses.

3. Keep conversations productive, on topic and civil.
Discussion and disagreement are inevitable and encouraged; personal insults, diatribes and sniping comments are unproductive and unacceptable. Whether a subject is light-hearted or serious, keep posts focused on the current topic and of general interest to other participants of that thread. Utilize the private message feature or personal email where appropriate to address side topics or personal issues not related to the topic at large.

4. No advertising in the discussion forums.
Posts in the discussion forums directly or indirectly advertising horses, jobs, items or services for sale or wanted will be removed at the discretion of the moderators. Use of the private messaging feature or email addresses obtained through users’ profiles for unsolicited advertising is not permitted.

Company representatives may participate in discussions and answer questions about their products or services, or suggest their products on recent threads if they fulfill the criteria of a query. False "testimonials" provided by company affiliates posing as general consumers are not appropriate, and self-promotion of sales, ad campaigns, etc. through the discussion forums is not allowed.

Paid advertising is available on our classifieds site and through the purchase of banner ads. The tightly monitored Giveaways forum permits free listings of genuinely free horses and items available or wanted (on a limited basis). Items offered for trade are not allowed.

Advertising Policy Specifics
When in doubt of whether something you want to post constitutes advertising, please contact a moderator privately in advance for further clarification. Refer to the following points for general guidelines:

Horses – Only general discussion about the buying, leasing, selling and pricing of horses is permitted. If the post contains, or links to, the type of specific information typically found in a sales or wanted ad, and it’s related to a horse for sale, regardless of who’s selling it, it doesn’t belong in the discussion forums.

Stallions – Board members may ask for suggestions on breeding stallion recommendations. Stallion owners may reply to such queries by suggesting their own stallions, only if their horse fits the specific criteria of the original poster. Excessive promotion of a stallion by its owner or related parties is not permitted and will be addressed at the discretion of the moderators.

Services – Members may use the forums to ask for general recommendations of trainers, barns, shippers, farriers, etc., and other members may answer those requests by suggesting themselves or their company, if their services fulfill the specific criteria of the original post. Members may not solicit other members for business if it is not in response to a direct, genuine query.

Products – While members may ask for general opinions and suggestions on equipment, trailers, trucks, etc., they may not list the specific attributes for which they are in the market, as such posts serve as wanted ads.

Event Announcements – Members may post one notification of an upcoming event that may be of interest to fellow members, if the original poster does not benefit financially from the event. Such threads may not be “bumped” excessively. Premium members may post their own notices in the Event Announcements forum.

Charities/Rescues – Announcements for charitable or fundraising events can only be made for 501(c)(3) tax-exempt organizations. Special exceptions may be made, at the moderators’ discretion and direction, for board-related events or fundraising activities in extraordinary circumstances.

Occasional posts regarding horses available for adoption through IRS-registered horse rescue or placement programs are permitted in the appropriate forums, but these threads may be limited at the discretion of the moderators. Individuals may not advertise or make announcements for horses in need of rescue, placement or adoption unless the horse is available through a recognized rescue or placement agency or government-run entity or the thread fits the criteria for and is located in the Giveaways forum.

5. Do not post copyrighted photographs unless you have purchased that photo and have permission to do so.

6. Respect other members.
As members are often passionate about their beliefs and intentions can easily be misinterpreted in this type of environment, try to explore or resolve the inevitable disagreements that arise in the course of threads calmly and rationally.

If you see a post that you feel violates the rules of the board, please click the “alert” button (exclamation point inside of a triangle) in the bottom left corner of the post, which will alert ONLY the moderators to the post in question. They will then take whatever action, or no action, as deemed appropriate for the situation at their discretion. Do not air grievances regarding other posters or the moderators in the discussion forums.

Please be advised that adding another user to your “Ignore” list via your User Control Panel can be a useful tactic, which blocks posts and private messages by members whose commentary you’d rather avoid reading.

7. We have the right to reproduce statements made in the forums.
The Chronicle of the Horse may copy, quote, link to or otherwise reproduce posts, or portions of posts, in print or online for advertising or editorial purposes, if attributed to their original authors, and by posting in this forum, you hereby grant to The Chronicle of the Horse a perpetual, non-exclusive license under copyright and other rights, to do so.

8. We reserve the right to enforce and amend the rules.
The moderators may delete, edit, move or close any post or thread at any time, or refrain from doing any of the foregoing, in their discretion, and may suspend or revoke a user’s membership privileges at any time to maintain adherence to the rules and the general spirit of the forum. These rules may be amended at any time to address the current needs of the board.

Please see our full Terms of Service and Privacy Policy for more information.

Thanks for being a part of the COTH forums!

(Revised 2/8/18)
See more
See less

Update on Gwennie: she's gone

Collapse
X
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • #21
    Jingle, Jingle, Jingles for both of you!

    For whatever strange reason our situations are once again somewhat paralleled. Polly, our older mare appeared very neurological last week to the point where I called the vet expecting that it was time. Polly couldn't walk straight behind - listing to one side or another and appearing to lose her balance. Vet confirmed she was ataxic and we considered several possibilities. In the end we ended up "trying" her on dexamethasone for a week - not really knowing the actual diagnosis, but wanting to try what was likely to be most helpful. After a few days of stall rest she is now happy on turnout with her friends (days only), trotting and cantering at times, and generally appearing quite comfortable - even negotiating gates and stall doors. We still haven't decided what to do about the approaching winter, but for now it seems this crisis has passed.

    I'm not really making a point except to say that this time last week I was gearing up for the worst and am now shocked and humbled by my mare's battle back to better health. I'm now thinking of the whole episode as a bit of a warm-up to prime my decision making abilities and remind me to spend a little more time loving her every day, because they won't last forever.

    (((Hugs))) and sympathy to you. I hope the decision becomes more obvious and know that you and Gwen will remain true partners no matter what.

    Comment


    • #22
      Your post brings tears to my eyes. I'm jingling and sending you hugs. I'll be looking for updates.
      SportHorseRiders.com
      Taco Blog
      *T3DE 2010 Pact*

      Comment


      • #23
        Oh DW, so so very sorry. I have loved your posts over the years about Gwennie. My big TB with Shivers sounds so similiar, I had him put down a year and a half ago. I don't think I ever really "knew" with him. There just came a time when I couldn't do it any more, and couldn't see him trying to do it any more. Maybe it is the neurological thing, it is such a roller coaster ride of good, awful and okay. It really makes it difficult to make a decision sometimes.
        Sending you good wishes and peace. Diana
        We're spending our money on horses and bourbon. The rest we're just wasting.
        www.dleestudio.com

        Comment


        • #24
          Oh girl, I am so, so sorry. I know we've posted before how our horses and their health affect us so greatly. Big time jingles (I've never jingled anyone before ). Tom

          Comment


          • #25
            Oh, no. Not Gwennie.

            Whatever happens, you both will do it as well as it can be done. That said, I will do double jingles that "whatever" turns out to be a miracle cure.
            "One person's cowboy is another person's blooming idiot" -- katarine

            Spay and neuter. Please.

            Comment


            • #26
              I'm so sorry... Sending more jingles and hugs that things work out. And even more jingles and hugs if they don't and you have to make that decision.

              Comment


              • #27
                Big hugs to you. As I told you already, I would not totally eliminate an EPM episode. It is quite common for horses to have episodes and they don't always show all the symptoms.
                Stress can trigger an episode.
                If I were you, I would wait for the vet to see her, I would try to put her on Marquis and see from there.
                I would not make a decision right away, I would try a little bit more ...
                I had to put Chance down a month ago, my old guy broke his leg. It was an easier decision, because I never second guessed myself. I knew it was the right thing to do.
                In your case, it's much harder.

                Good luck and big hugs.

                Comment


                • #28
                  As Mademoiselle said, you might want to do a short trial of Marquis and see if there's improvement.

                  If not, I would keep in mind that the days are indeed getting shorter.

                  It's been a relief to me, in a way, that the horses of mine that I've had to make the big decision on were pretty catastrophic and therefore no-brainers.
                  It's damned hard to make the call when the decline is in slow-mo.
                  Nonetheless, I think you'll know when it's time...
                  "It's like a Russian nesting doll of train wrecks."--CaitlinandTheBay

                  ...just settin' on the Group W bench.

                  Comment


                  • #29
                    Deltawave, this is so very upsetting to hear; though I don't know you personally (or Gwennie), I have always followed your story with her, and so very much respect your opinion when it comes to "things eventing", and also things horse care related, as well. And then there's that "chestnut mare thing": Gwen always reminded me of my own horse (who may or may not have the chance to become a Prelim schoolmaster--depending on whether or not she fully recovers from her injury--she has eaten up Prelim so far in her career), but they are certainly unique and special animals. Minds of their own, brave and opinionated, very much loved--though often exasperating. We love them anyway, or maybe because they are so very challenging.

                    My last horse wasted away (and had to be euthanized) as a result of a neurological condition that was never identified (even after necropsy), and he was only 10. (Evry possible test was run, and he was negative for all of them.) Big, powerful event horse; very full of himself after events (a TB), and he SO clearly loved it. He was Alpha up until the end, and the members of his "herd" literally supported him (during his increasing disability) when he was unable to walk up to the gate to be first in line to be brought in; he leaned on them. We had had him since he was a foal, so that was a tough one. (He just continued to deteriorate until the decision was no longer "well, should we do this", and became "WHEN should we do this?" That was the first time I saw my husband cry like a baby, when we came back from Warrenton with the empty trailer.

                    My heart goes out to you, in every way possible--and fingers crossed (I am not a prayer--as in "Pray-er") that your girl will fight this off, and that this will not be her end.



                    I am crying right now, and please know that you have a lot of support on this BB.

                    Hang in there! mademoiselle has a good point; wait and see--and don't give up hope quite yet, please!

                    We all love Gwen.
                    "Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies."

                    "It's supposed to be hard...the hard is what makes it great!" (Jimmy Dugan, "A League of Their Own")

                    Comment


                    • #30
                      Tomorrow could look quite different.

                      I've been there a few times with my oldest two (31 and 26) but they're both still out in the field. My other old guy died very suddenly at 23 -- it is so much easier when they make the decision for you.

                      Here's hoping she pulls through. If not, I'm sure she'll help you decide what to do. You know her so well.

                      Comment


                      • #31
                        crap...I'm so sorry. Jingles that she will start to get better and that you will have her for a bit more time. But in the end, you will make the right choice for her even though it will be the hard one for you. It is damn hard...but you do know.

                        It helped me to talk with a good experienced horse friend....who could be more emotionally removed from the situation confirm that they thought it was time as well....just to keep me from being in denial.
                        Last edited by bornfreenowexpensive; Sep. 4, 2009, 10:14 AM.
                        ** Tact is the ability to tell someone to go to hell in such a way that they look forward to the trip. ~Winston Churchill? **

                        Comment


                        • #32
                          Not a whole lotta things harder in this world than what you are going through. No easy path, no simple answer. When we all meet in the next world Gwennie will greet you with love and thank you for taking such good care of her. You're a good mom and you've done the right things. Major league jingles to you.
                          The ants are my friends. And they're blowin' in the wind.

                          Comment


                          • #33
                            I really hope this is just a "I really overdid it" episode on top of a somewhat compromised by EPM horse. I would hold out and see if she starts to improve. Again, let me know if you need me to help in any way. I will get in the car and be there.

                            I'll never forget the great event I had at Kentucky where I was lucky enough to ride Gwen (thank you--DW). She was opinionated as h*ll in the dressage, and completely in her element on x-c. But stadium was the funniest memory I have of her. She didn't know where Bonnie had gone (you were off riding) and that was all she could focus on while I was warming her up. We proceeded down to stadium and she began screaming for Bonnie, and continued to the entire round. In true Gwen fashion, despite the added sound effects, she did not hit a rail and came in under time. Truly special horse who really loves her job. She has had a great "ride" during her life and a great partnership with you, but that doesn't make this process any easier. I know I will be there someday and I know I won't be in the "stiff upper lip" mode. I'll be a mess. I hope it turns around for Gwen!! Ok, totally crying now.

                            Comment


                            • #34
                              Oh, no, poor Gwennie...and poor you. I'm another one who can say that Gwen has always reminded me of my own mare...chestnut, very opinionated, hates dressage but will jump anything you point her at. I dread the day I have to make that decision with her.

                              Try not to make any decisions until the chiro has seen her. I agree with others that she could be having an EPM relapse...there are so many variations in how it presents that it could be EPM, even though she doesn't have all the same symptoms that she had before. There is also the possibility that she injured herself...in which case I was thinking, like another poster mentioned, that steroids might be beneficial (but not if it's EPM!)

                              Hang in there, both of you. If anyone can fight through this, it's you and Gwennie.
                              ~Nancy~

                              Adams Equine Wellness

                              Comment


                              • #35
                                Oh no!

                                Mighty jingles to you both.

                                Comment


                                • #36
                                  Jingles Jingles Jingles !!! Thoughts and prayers with you two.
                                  Zu Zu Bailey " IT'S A WONDERFUL LIFE ! "

                                  Comment


                                  • #37
                                    Multiple Hugs and jingles . . .
                                    RIP Kelly 1977-2007 "Wither thou goest, so shall I"

                                    "To tilt when you should withdraw is Knightly too."

                                    Comment


                                    • #38
                                      Jingling and praying for you both. Hoping she just overdid things. Know you will do right by her and that you have many cyber friends who hold you dear.

                                      Comment


                                      • #39
                                        Thinking of you both tonight.
                                        ~ Horse Box Lovers Clique ~

                                        Comment


                                        • #40
                                          Oh, DW, I'm weeping over you. I am so terribly sorry you are suffering. I almost couldn't open this thread when I saw 'Jingles' and 'Gwennie' in the same sentence.

                                          Don't try to self-diagnose this one. Get all the help you can and stop looking at her until you have that support. The looking and wondering 'is she better? Oh, no, I guess she's worse today, A little bit better?...' is perfectly awful.

                                          It is true, you WILL know when her time comes. My 23 year old Charlie's eye went dull in July of last summer. He became a blank, just going through the motions, making me think his time was drawing nigh. Then he did a 95% tear of his RF superficial in October. Question answered.

                                          Gwennie will tell you, you know her so well. Be sure to sob. Be sure to rely on your friends, physical and cyber, to help you through it. We all love Gwen!
                                          Proud and achy member of the Eventing Grannies clique.

                                          Comment

                                          Working...
                                          X