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*STEAMING* BNR not wearing helmet WHILE JUMPING

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    *STEAMING* BNR not wearing helmet WHILE JUMPING

    I am a self-proclaimed helmet Nazi. I know that, and I accept that *some people* don't wear helmets....and that is something I can not control. But it REALLY makes me SEVERELY IRRITATED when I see pictures of a BNR (self-proclaimed???) posting pictures on facebook riding a NEW horse - JUMPING a new horse over 3'6" oxers.

    It's *ONE THING* to do it in the privacy of your own home. And heck, even *I* wear a hunt cap while showing dressage.....But to be a somewhat "big name rider", for better or worse reasons, I find it incredibly irresponsible to not wear one while jumping.


    GRRRRRRR.

    #2
    I just really think it's their own business. I've never understood the uproar.
    We're spending our money on horses and bourbon. The rest we're just wasting.
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      #3
      It has *nothing* to do with me caring about the person's noodle, really. This is because the person is a well known rider that some kids look up to.

      My FIVE year old daughter said to me the other day, "Max doesn't wear his helmet when he rides his bike, why do I have to????" BECAUSE I SAID SO only goes so far.

      I feel that once you're in the limelight I feel it's important to set an example. That's my beef.

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        #4
        Why is it a BNT's job to influence kids to wear helmets? Shouldn't that rest with the parents?

        This reminds me of the people who get all up in arms about Paris Hilton showing her hoo-hah, saying it's a bad influence. Yeah, you don't need to teach your kids the benefits of wearing panties with mini-skirts, a stranger they'll never meet does

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          #5
          See, and I get tired of 'the example' thing. There will always be bad ones, and always be good ones. Helmet or no.
          We're spending our money on horses and bourbon. The rest we're just wasting.
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            #6
            "Because I said so" goes as far as it needs to when it comes to helmets. Just tell your kid she has to wear a helmet. I don't see why it would be negotiable because she sees a picture of someone else not wearing one.

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              #7
              Originally posted by joharavhf View Post
              I feel that once you're in the limelight I feel it's important to set an example. That's my beef.
              You feel that once someone is in the limelight it is important for them to set the same example you would set, under the apparent impression that if it is important TO YOU for your child to learn a certain lesson, it should be important to EVERYONE ELSE that your child (oh hey, let's just make it all children) learn that same lesson.
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                #8
                Originally posted by Coppers mom View Post
                Why is it a BNT's job to influence kids to wear helmets? Shouldn't that rest with the parents?
                Absolutely, it should rest with the parents. But we *all* know how strong the pull is to "be like Mike"....and if the parents aren't around then the kid may NOT wear the helmet. Right or wrong?

                Apparently you two think I'm stupid for feeling this way. Maybe you don't have kids.

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                  #9
                  Like it or not...those impressionable folks, whether that be adults or children DO emulate those BNR/T...not saying it is right, but I do think there is often times some influence there.

                  Hopefully their trainers, fellow riders, barn mates, etc exert enough influence to encourage the use of a helmet...at the very least for jumping.

                  What those who choose this route do is up to them...they know the risks BUT just do not expect me to pony up donations to the various charities that support those riders when they are injured and cannot afford the medical bills.

                  NO WAY, NO HOW!!

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                    #10
                    To me it's the same as a NFL player drinking and driving. Kids look up to them, and they are expected to set an example. So set a good one! I don't care if John Doe wears one in her backyard or not, but anyone who is in a position to be admired by children should be more aware of the effects of their actions on children.

                    When children look up to someone we can only hope it is the Mother Teresa of examples, not Brittany Spears. Fact of life now that sex sells, and more and more young girls are being influenced by famous people, regardless of the parenting. Its why we see 12 year old anorexics and 13 year old girls worried about their boobs more now than ever.

                    I think every barn should have a must wear helmets while mounted rule for anyone under 18. However I think it's a lot easier to enforce it when you as the BNT wear one every ride. It's the smart thing to do, esp when jumping.
                    Last edited by Horsegal984; Jul. 15, 2009, 02:24 PM. Reason: clarity
                    You can't fix stupid.... but you can breed it!

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by joharavhf View Post
                      Apparently you two think I'm stupid for feeling this way. Maybe you don't have kids.
                      Or maybe we just think that parents should be the ones doing the parenting

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                        #12
                        Come on now, johara--it's just a wee bit hypocritical to criticize someone else for not wearing a helmet under THEIR circumstances when you freely admit that you don't either under YOUR circumstances.

                        The statistics will show that a large majority of falls and head injuries occur during "flatwork".

                        No flogging from me--I've gotten to the point where I feel like everyone's risk calculus has to be their personal thing. I won't smoke a cigarette, others do regularly. One person's "dangerous" is another person's "good times". But don't go off too hard on another when you're doing the same thing, just under different circumstances.

                        For the record, I have a kid, and won't get on a horse under any circumstances without a real helmet. Not once, never, in the last 15 years or more. But shoot, maybe I should wear one when I pick their feet, or walk behind them picking up poop--it's really nothing more than a level of perceived risk.

                        I do get it that this is a person "setting an example". But our kids look to US to set examples mostly.
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                          #13
                          Admittedly, I neither have kids nor care what people choose to wear or not wear on their heads. I'm sure this BNT didn't sign up to be a role model, but rather to ride and train horses and make a decent living.

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                            #14
                            Also, FACEBOOK?

                            You are worried about your five year old being influenced by someone's FACEBOOK pictures?


                            ...Maybe your 5yo should put down the mouse if you are so worried about your inability to influence your child in the face of outside influences?
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                              #15
                              Originally posted by joharavhf View Post
                              I am a self-proclaimed helmet Nazi. <snip>

                              And heck, even *I* wear a hunt cap while showing dressage.....
                              If you get on a horse without a helmet, you are a hypocritical "self-proclained helmet Nazi".

                              How can you show in a hunt cap in dressage? If you aren't a "every time, every ride" user, your complaint smacks of the same "do as I say, not as I do" that you complain of.

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                                #16
                                Maybe all of us need to improve our effectiveness as parents and good citizens of our communities by boycotting BNRs who flaunt their lack of helmet use. If we decide that we will not buy horses from them, will not refer clients to them, will not hire them for clinics, and will not use them for lessons, they may get the idea. If an adult decides not to wear a helmet at home, that is their (foolish) choice. If they decide to not wear a helmet in public (including on the web), we, as parents and riders who value chlldren, need to take a stand.

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                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by AKB View Post
                                  Maybe all of us need to improve our effectiveness as parents and good citizens of our communities by boycotting BNRs who flaunt their lack of helmet use. If we decide that we will not buy horses from them, will not refer clients to them, will not hire them for clinics, and will not use them for lessons, they may get the idea. If an adult decides not to wear a helmet at home, that is their (foolish) choice. If they decide to not wear a helmet in public (including on the web), we, as parents and riders who value chlldren, need to take a stand.
                                  Yes, and if you want to raise your children to be good Christians, you should refuse to hire any openly Muslim or gay trainers for clinics too.

                                  Everyone on the planet should be responsible for imparting to your children exactly those values you wish to impart.

                                  Teaching your children that there are different values out there, from helmets all the way up there to God(s), and that they'll have to navigate their own way and may as well start now, would obviously be bad parenting.

                                  I fail to understand why parents focus on eliminating all influences they perceive as negative, instead of focusing on bolstering their children's ability to RESIST influences they perceive as negative.
                                  Instead of building up their child's character, they want to make the row easier to hoe so the child has the "right" Christian/Muslim/gay/straight/helmetwearing example to follow like a sheep instead of developing the ability to stand firm.
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                                    #18
                                    If the BNT has sponsors that market to children and teenagers, then they are indeed role models and should ride responsibly.

                                    On the otherhand, my child will wear a helmet when on a horse, no matter what. When she is older and a BNT herself, she will still wear a helmet because she always has since she was five years old and doesn't even realize its on her head. Even when she hits eighteen, as long as she is on our health care plan, there will be a helmet on her head when she rides. This is non-negotiable...no matter what the flavor of the day BNT does.

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                                      #19
                                      ..

                                      Sure we should all wear helmets, but getting so angry about it isn't really doing you any good. Why do people get so angry? Is it about being right?
                                      The truth is rarely pure, and never simple. Oscar Wilde

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                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by joharavhf View Post
                                        Apparently you two think I'm stupid for feeling this way. Maybe you don't have kids.
                                        Being one of the above-referenced posters, I do think it is stupid to complain about this and STILL NOT WEAR A HELMET all the time. You are your kid's best example.

                                        For the record, I wear a helmet every ride, every time -- jumping, dressage, riding on the trails, heck, even showing western. Anyone who wants to mock me can go right ahead.

                                        Our barn's policy (which I implemented 15 years ago) is that everyone, no matter what age, wears a helmet every time they get on a horse.

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