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  • Training 3 DE qualifications/ training level qualification

    It has been a few years since I've competed (competed thru the intermediate level) and now I am wanting to aim for a training 3 DE in the fall with my horse. I can not find where the qualifications are for a training 3 DE and/ or qualifications of doing a training level event. Do I need to do 4 trainings for a training 3 DE qualification? Does the USEA implement a rule (like the Canadian rule on this forum) that requires you to qualify at novice for training level competition?

  • #2
    I'd think that the rules are out there on the internet. But from what I recall a friend saying, it was 4 training events with a dressage score 50 or below and double clears on the Stadium and jumping. But I could be dead wrong. Wasn't there a T3D website?

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    • Original Poster

      #3
      I searched the USEA website without much success... so anyone with qualification information or a website would be great!!

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      • #4
        http://useventing.com/competitions.p...n=training3day

        "Qualifications to particpate at the TR-3 Day Event Test is at the discretion of the organizer - check the individual omnibus listing for qualification criteria

        The following qualification criteria is NOT effective until 12/1/09: Horses and riders must have obtained a National Qualifying Results (NQR) at four horse trials at the Training level, and one must be as a combination.

        Except as noted below, National Qualifying Result (NQR): an NQR is achieved by completing the entire horse trials and scoring: Not more than 50 penalty points in the dressage test; no jumping penalties at obstacles on the cross-country test,and not more than 90 seconds (36 penalty points) exceeding optimum time; and not more than 16 penalties at obstacles in the Jumping Test. "

        In short, depends on what event you're aiming at-check the omnibus listing for that show. Hope that helps

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        • #5
          The website says that you have to have 4 NQR at the training level or above within the past two years to do the Training 3 Day. However I am aimed at doing the south farm T3D and have found a few 'blips' in other riders that had competed in other T3D around the country this year. I.e. one lady had competed in around 6 trainings and only 2 were NQR, 2 were eliminations and 2 had xc stops. However the 2 she completed clean she got 1st and 2nd at the venue where the T3D was held. Long story short I think the organisers make a few exceptions, I recommend emailing the organisers of the competition where you want to do your T3D. Best of luck!!!

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          • #6
            The one at GMHA also has an application process.

            I want to do this because I think that the experience will give my uber-careful (to the point of being TOO careful and stopping to look) mare some confidence to get going and on with the job.

            I want her to do Steeplechase. But she's not got enough NQRs to be automatically accepted. I have lots of experience at T & P with previous horses. I will have to apply, not just enter.

            Since this is supposed to still be educational and a clinic experience almost, I am all for allowing some leeway in the acceptable entries list. Half the time on this board we bemoan the loss of "the old days" which along with big open galloping courses had very few regulations about who can do what. The other half of the time someone is complaining about "how come there isn't a rule...." because someone did something they didn't approve of.

            I realize have "live free or die" stamped on my license plate, but all these new rules that limit lower level riders ability to get out and get the job done (like getting back on after falling off) make me mad.

            If someone's horse blooms into a fabulous eventer after steeplechase and wins the thing, even if she wasn't "qualified" shouldn't we be HAPPY for her? Because her horse 'got it' and turned into a better horse because of the experience? That's good for all of us, right?

            Sorry, off soapbox.

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            • #7
              Area II Adult Riders old website: (whatever is on there WAS correct last year.)
              trainingthreedayevent.googlepages.com
              but there is supposed to be a new one - look on the Area II website, and it's also got a Facebook page, too but I don't have the exact address, look under Area II Adult Riders.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by Hilary View Post
                The one at GMHA also has an application process.

                I want to do this because I think that the experience will give my uber-careful (to the point of being TOO careful and stopping to look) mare some confidence to get going and on with the job.

                I want her to do Steeplechase. But she's not got enough NQRs to be automatically accepted. I have lots of experience at T & P with previous horses. I will have to apply, not just enter.

                Since this is supposed to still be educational and a clinic experience almost, I am all for allowing some leeway in the acceptable entries list. Half the time on this board we bemoan the loss of "the old days" which along with big open galloping courses had very few regulations about who can do what. The other half of the time someone is complaining about "how come there isn't a rule...." because someone did something they didn't approve of.

                I realize have "live free or die" stamped on my license plate, but all these new rules that limit lower level riders ability to get out and get the job done (like getting back on after falling off) make me mad.

                If someone's horse blooms into a fabulous eventer after steeplechase and wins the thing, even if she wasn't "qualified" shouldn't we be HAPPY for her? Because her horse 'got it' and turned into a better horse because of the experience? That's good for all of us, right?

                Sorry, off soapbox.
                I'm with you, and I organize the Indiana T3DE. I intend to voice my opinion at the next T3DE meeting, and I suggest anyone who wants to leave the qualifications and proceedures as guidelines rather than requirements make their sentiments known to the USEA. I'm all for laying out guidelines for distances, efforts, etc, but I do NOT want to see the T3DE bogged down in excess verbage and regulations.

                I do NOT want to be strictly regulated on qualifications, it's Training, for pete's sake, not Advanced. If someone has done Training or more for years then I think they should be given consideration, whether or not they've met the proposed 2010 qualifiying criteria.

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                • #9
                  The contact info for T3DE committee members is here:
                  http://useventing.com/aboutus.php?section=committees
                  SportHorseRiders.com
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                  • #10
                    Amen, LAZ. For what it's worth, I'm there with you 100%.

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                    • #11
                      I just want to thank everyone who is running a T3DE. I evented as a kid up until i was 17. I got up to training level, ran 3 successful events, then my horse got injured. I wanted to do a T3DE then, but obviously could not because of my horse. Then I took a 5 year hiatus in the hunter ring, because my horse could not event after his injury (among other things).

                      Now I moved two states away for graduate school, have a new trainer, and I'm back eventing. I am sooo happy to be back!! I am fortunate enough to get to run one of my trainer's prelim horses this year. (he is coming back off of an injury) We ran 3 novices then move up to training. I have completed 2 trainings successfully so far. She is letting me do a T3DE in the fall before she takes the ride back. I am so excited!! I have been telling everyone and I already have that week off of work! I had a brief moment of panic when I realized my last training might not count because we had a runout. It was a silly case of me not closing my left leg. I just want to thank the organizers for considering special cases like this. I was worried that i would have to add another show, to my already packed fall, just to qualify. I was afraid I would miss out on an opportunity to ride in a training 3 day, just because of one runout!

                      So, thank you organizers for keeping this alive and making special considerations. Hopefully, if everything goes well, I will be competing at a T3DE in the fall!

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by paintedponiesrule View Post
                        The website says that you have to have 4 NQR at the training level or above within the past two years to do the Training 3 Day.
                        Wow, so you can be "qualified" to run Prelim and not the T3D?
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                        • #13
                          I don't want to restrict it much either, but consider this case...horse/rider combo has finished four trainings and scored over 100 points at each one. Three with stops xc. No dressage under 50. She is entered at at T3D. Where do you draw the line? The omnibus requirements state that you have to finish 4 trainings to enter. Can the organizer not accept the entry? She meets the criterion. Just saying...
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by NMK View Post
                            I don't want to restrict it much either, but consider this case...horse/rider combo has finished four trainings and scored over 100 points at each one. Three with stops xc. No dressage under 50. She is entered at at T3D. Where do you draw the line? The omnibus requirements state that you have to finish 4 trainings to enter. Can the organizer not accept the entry? She meets the criterion. Just saying...
                            Nanc,

                            I'm not against qualifications--we had them, but I do not want to be so restricted as to not be able to grant special permission or discourage otherwise well qualified people from competing.

                            E.G--I had someone who had two clear USEA Trainings, one clear unrecognized (over a USEA course) and one USEA with one run out over the last two years. Prior to that she had competed the horse Training successfully. Under the qualifying criteria she would not be eligible, she went around clear and had a great time.

                            I had another competitor that wanted to compete--her record was spotty at Training & the more recent two Prelims she'd done. I told her I needed her to run another Training clear to be considered, she ran one, had a stop and we did not accept that entry.

                            I am not against reasonable prudence and care in qualifying criteria, but to take these decisions completely out of the organizers hands is not something I am in favor of (nor am I on any dressage and s/j criteria). Believe me, we want these to work, work safely, and work well, but I fear making the 3 month qualifier as well as not allowing any run outs in ANY of the 4 qualifiers will hurt our entries. I also believe I'd rather have a horse that makes the occasional decision to stop rather than make a really hairy jump or fall--and if it is not a pervasive thing in the record it should be excused.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by paintedponiesrule View Post
                              The website says that you have to have 4 NQR at the training level or above within the past two years to do the Training 3 Day.
                              Where are you seeing that the NQRs have to be within the last two years? This will not be a requirement in 2010. Perhaps you are looking at an individual organizer's requirements?
                              SportHorseRiders.com
                              Taco Blog
                              *T3DE 2010 Pact*

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                              • #16
                                The above entry is real, and real scary. I feel for an organizer that gets an entry like this one and has to have the discussion with the competitor that she completed four trainings, just like the omnibus says, but the completions had unacceptable stops/time/dressage scores.

                                Perhaps you just get around it by submitting an application with an entry to a T3D, and call it such across the board.

                                Nancy
                                www.canterusa.org

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                                • #17
                                  "Special Permission" is granted by the show organizer. We have a girl going to the T3D at Inavale the end of this month that has 3 trainings under her belt on this current horse but 6 or so on her previous. Current horse had 1 stop each on the first 2 rounds but clean the last. First courses were greenie stops (downbank into water, out of coffin), and he learned from that and jumped double clean XC and stadium and finished on his dressage of 34 at the last show. All of the riders rounds on the previous horse were qualifiers. She just e-mailed the organizer and explained everything and they let her in. She would love to get out to more shows to improve her record, but honestly she just doesn't have the money to do it, and this was her big goal. I'm so glad the organizer was granting exceptions as the horse and rider are quite safe and ready but she just has limited showing funds.

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                                  • #18
                                    Originally posted by CookiePony View Post
                                    Where are you seeing that the NQRs have to be within the last two years? This will not be a requirement in 2010. Perhaps you are looking at an individual organizer's requirements?
                                    Hi Cookie Pony yes sorry I was looking at the South Farm Qualifier as that is what T3D I am hopefully doing (depending on qualifications). Then I started to look at a few other T3D requirements, every competition seems to have there own of none stated. Sorry for the confusion.

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                                    • #19
                                      It is understandable that you would be confused. The qualifications are under review right now and hopefully the changes will make them clearer.
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