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Horse Trial Org. -D/SJ/X-C - Does this arrangement go well?

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  • Horse Trial Org. -D/SJ/X-C - Does this arrangement go well?

    We are having a horse trial next weekend and we are toying with the arrangement of D/SJ and then go straight to X-C. Can anyone give us some hints as to how this design runs? Like, are you able to stay on time without really having a x-c time scheduled? I usually allow 2 min. per stadium rider but 3min. per x-c. I can always waste time during the change of stadium courses for each division to allow riders enough time between the phases. I would like for each competitor to have about 2 - 3 hrs. inbetween dressage and the rest(so everyone has plenty of time to walk stadium and x-c).
    Any ideas?

  • #2
    I think it goes well that way. SJ is like a warm up for XC.
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    • #3
      While I'm not an official organizer, I am deeply involved with a local HTs.

      The Stadium directly to XC works quite well for us. It actually keeps things running a bit smoother because riders don't have to change between phases, so they can go directly from the SJ arena off to XC. It's easier on the riders with multiple horses and I believe we're able to fit more riders in with this format.
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      • #4
        I have never planned such an event, but I have competed in one, and have always thought they go rather well.

        I have only ever seen it done at schooling shows around here. I like them.


        • #5
          I like this arrangement, and think it's MUCH safer for the lower levels than the other way around. This way the horse and rider get to warm up over fences that fall down and break if they really screw up. You, as management also have the power to eliminate someone who is truly scary before they go on to XC where the falls and injuries can be a lot more serious. At a local starter trial, I would allow a competent rider to go XC who was eliminated due to a few honest refusals. I would not allow a rider who had taken a hard fall, a horse who was out of control on course, or a horse who had crashed through a fence or fallen to go out on XC.

          You ride your SJ in X-C attire (permitted but not required) which is nice in that it eliminates another tack/dress change for the day, and you feel as though once you've galloped through the finish flags on XC, you and your horse can celebrate a job well done.

          I like to have roughly 1.5 hours between dressage and SJ/XC. Enough to untack the horse, change boots, walk the x-c course if I haven't been able to yet, and then tack up for SJ/XC. Show jumping is ridden in order with breaks for course walks, etc. XC is done on a first-come first-served basis so those who want to go right away can, and those who need to school a little bit or take a short break can do that too.


          • #6
            Ditto all the yes votes, for the reasons stated. For the lower levels, I think it is completely the way to go. I just can't think of a downside, other than it is not "How It's Done" at the upper levels. But at BN or N, who really cares? Efficient, time saving, and easier to supervise from a safety perspective.

            And when it's run this way, you can have a cold beer after XC!
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            • #7
              It's done that way at a number of the HTs at least through Intermediate that I know. Basically...most of the one day events that I go to now a days are run this way. It is great...you can be done from start to finish in 2 hours. I've had a few events at Prelim were I started at 9 and was done at 10:30....love it.
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              • Original Poster

                Terrific replies!! Thanks.
                I'm pumped and ready to give it a try...only thing, I think I will keep the riders in numerical order for x-c - otherwise, I'm afraid quite a few newbies might want to hang around a bit.
                Only worry this time - hardly any volunteers! I'm having to pay 3 people to come out and hoping we can get it all done with them and whoever might help on that day. (I picked a busy weekend!) I'm sure it will go well, though.


                • #9
                  Yes, my experience has been that numerical order is best for riders and warm up stewards. reduces confusion and gives the stewards some authority to keep things going. A little flexibility can then be the steward's idea when it helps.


                  • #10
                    Its worked well at all the Aiken area events. I think the horses like it too- they only get tacked up 2x instead of 3. Usually at a one day by the time I tack up for stadium my horses are cranky.


                    • #11
                      My trainer loves SJ straight to XC. Numerical order works well, too -- so much easier to keep track of when you're time is coming up. Some flexibility on the part of the ring steward (#190 is right there waiting to go, #189 is nowhere to be seen), is also appreciated by the riders and keeps things moving.
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                      • #12
                        Where in NC are you, Tuttifruitti? You might be able to drum up some volunteers here....
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                        • Original Poster

                          We are located in Mocksville, NC. We usually have plenty of help but this time: graduation, Pony Club activities, a big camping/trail ride(I was supposed to go to but forgot about it), and the CDI in Raleigh - just alot going on.
                          I've got about 4 more names to call in the neighborhood. The judge offered to bring a scribe, which was NICE. I told her I would pay for scribe.
                          So, we are plowing ahead.


                          • #14
                            Just so you know, not everyone likes this format.

                            The above post is an opinion, just an opinion. If it were a real live fact it would include supporting links to websites full of people who already agreed with me.



                            • #15
                              I'm sure there are folks who disagree, but I love this format for a one day: one warmup, one tack change, and lets you clean out any problem children in the SJ before they go XC. You can set times with 15 minutes in between SJ and XC but usually your folks at the XC start are a bit flexible if someone needs a moment or two extra to regroup or change boots and can send one on ahead (better to keep horses going then to hold everyone up). Allowing some give and take at the start of XC will GREATLY reduce rider anxiety - particularly if you have newbies - but will also keep folks rolling through pretty fast. Talk to some of the folks in Aiken who run one day shows for other tricks.


                              • #16
                                To me, this is the ONLY way to do a one day!!! I love it.

                                Do make sure your xc starters are flexible, try to stay in numeric order but allow those who are ready to go, even if it is out of order. Plan for 15 to 20 minutes between sj and xc, and take into consideration the walk from one to the other (if it is a long hack, you might need to give them a little extra time. If they are on top of one another, you might get away with squeezing them some more). Having a few extra minutes to regroup, change boots, or, if you are like me and had a bad sj round, jump a fence or two, makes it a lot less stressful.


                                • #17
                                  Originally posted by LLDM View Post
                                  Just so you know, not everyone likes this format.

                                  I am not normally a fan of this format in the summer and tend to avoid entering them. My son is very fit, has low blood pressure and heart rate and we learned the hard way that he has to over hydrate to stay ahead of the power curve on hot days.

                                  Having said that, I am running a one day in two weeks using this "condensed" schedule, we made the decision to do so based on several factors to include economic ones.

                                  We will be making frequent announcements to remind folks to drink and will provide lots of water! And we are assigning ride times for all three phases, not just a come when you are ready after show jumping sort of set up.



                                  • #18
                                    Although this format is convenient for organizers and often lower levels, I have always thought that it doesn't really feel like the way eventing is supposed to be. There was a reason the show jumping was last. I agree that it helps weed out the unsafe riders though. It would just be nice to do it the "classical" way once in awhile. The last event at the lower levels I remember doing it that was was Difficult Run, but I think they changed this year because of construction, etc.

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                                    • #19
                                      I really don't like this format. It seems to be aimed more towards convenience of the organizers, and the appearance of safety than towards maintaining the actual spirit of eventing. I like the traditional order. I also like the breaks in the traditional order (another person who needs to stay hydrated--though more related to asthma issues).

                                      I understand that organizers can run more horses this way, but I guess I am just a traditionalist.


                                      • #20
                                        I like them

                                        Not an organizer, but have competed a lot at both formats. I like one day events and I also like going from SJ straight to xc. I don't get quite as nervous and it's nice to have at least one day on the weekend for family, yourself.... A bit of flexibility with the xc starter is important, especially with any health issue a competitor may have.