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  • #41
    For anyone interested, the quote from Mark Todds book about the conditions in the barn the night after XC "....I've never seen anything likethe carnage in the stables later that night, with horses lying everywhere with drips in them,just like a battlefield.Again, it was ignorance that di d the damage but at least the lessons of Lexington were well learned. "

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    • #42
      The biggest problem than, 1968 and all the way to the 1980, was comunication. No cell phones no small hand held radios, they just did not exist. A wireless radio, was in a backpack, weight around 40 pounds, mostly batteries, led acid, when the flashflood in Mexico happened only the people at the stream knew, no way to warn anybody.
      Most shows had land lines layed out, but they would only go to certain comunication hotspots. Runners or outriders were used, even spectators to comunicate to those comunication hotspots.
      I remember overtaking a ambulance on a forest trail, because 20 minutes before me somebody had crashed, it took this long to get the information to the controller and than get the ambulance in. When I got to the jump, it was fire wood, they had, jump judge and a few onlooker, pulled the rider out of the way and no sign of the horse, I troted over the jump, making sure I went through the flags, asked the jump judge if he had noticed and let her fly again. When I got to the finish nobody knew that the jump was trashed and that the meatwagon was hauling somebody of., compare that to today.
      At some shows the military sponsored us with comunication gear, they were very reliable to be unreliable, very fragil equipment. just think we would do that today, no hold on course, get them out of the way, because the next rider is coming, no tarps, blinds and so on.
      Just think a 16 year old jump judge, somebody makes a hell of a mess out of a jump and than does not move or has some bones broken, would be an interesting problem today, no cell phone, no radio, next jump a couple of 100 meters down the road in the forest. Some shows used flag signes, or hunter high stands to keep track, but mostly nobody did know what was happening.
      The 78 course would fail today on any aspects, nobody would give it a ok, not just because of the jumps, but very simply it would fail any savety inspection from the organisational side and nobody would dare to ride it today, not even the guys that rode it, besides we do not have the horses that could take the beating.
      That I have no use for them, does not mean, that I don't know them and don't know how to use them.
      Caveman extraordinair

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      • #43
        I think it is extremely valuable to have guys like Gnep around who do remember how it was. Tapes like the 78 championships really bring it home.

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        • #44
          Mr. PF and I watched the video last night. I didn't have as negative a visceral reaction to it as some here, but it was certainly eye-opening in a lot of ways.

          The quality of horses was higher than I was expecting--you hear so much about how the horses today are another level above what we had back then, and while in some cases it was true, I wouldn't say it was the rule. Several of them looked like if they'd had "modern" flatwork from an early age, and didn't have to carry the level of fitness that was required then, they could have easily had the scope and the gaits to be competitive. The gray German horse, Volturno, Laurenson, Topic, even Tango--these are just the ones off the top of my head.

          The course design changes were interesting both in terms of what didn't work (the serpent) and what was viewed with concern that we wouldn't bat an eye at now (the Jenny Lane crossing--essentially a modern-day prelim-level jump on an angle question with bigger fences. None of the americans shown "dared" take the angle, and today we'd expect a much greener horse to do it easily at a smaller height.

          The biggest thing I noted was the vast differences in post and pre-xc care, and I wondered if the number of horses in distress would have been reduced if they knew what we do now about how to aggressively cool a horse. At one point, they have a WOOL COOLER on Might Tango which they are pouring water on top of. In the ten minute box you saw a lot of riders sitting on their horses standing still while they panted.

          Clearly the weather was a problem, but I do just wonder if modern techniques and knowledge were available, if the "carnage" would have been less.

          I think it's good and interesting viewing--filled with good things and bad things.
          Phoenix Farm ~ Breeding-Training-Sales
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          • #45
            PF,
            Volturno became a legend in Germany and one can say that he was one of the first modern Eventing Horses.

            The mayor differance betwenn today and yesterday, Endurance Day was ment to be Endurance Day, a rather serious test of conditioning and as much as I remember, problems in X-C were primarily caused by the exhaustion of riders and horses. Thats why the stadium jumping, was more a test of stamina, could the horse and rider handle one more day of competition. It was not primarily a test of the horses stadium jumping qualities, but more a test to get the sore body one more time going.
            Completly differant approach to todays eventing.
            Modern D-Box drill would have helped a lot, but than the idea of icing a horse or hosing it down while being sweaty and hot was considered killing a horse. I still flinch when I do that, even that I know it is ok to do
            That I have no use for them, does not mean, that I don't know them and don't know how to use them.
            Caveman extraordinair

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            • #46
              Originally posted by Gnep View Post
              PF,
              Volturno became a legend in Germany and one can say that he was one of the first modern Eventing Horses.
              I do know who Volturno is (I'm old enough to remember the fiasco when he was supposed to come and stand here) but I had never seen him going in his heyday before. Supercool guy!

              Originally posted by Gnep View Post
              The mayor differance betwenn today and yesterday, Endurance Day was ment to be Endurance Day, a rather serious test of conditioning and as much as I remember, problems in X-C were primarily caused by the exhaustion of riders and horses. Thats why the stadium jumping, was more a test of stamina, could the horse and rider handle one more day of competition. It was not primarily a test of the horses stadium jumping qualities, but more a test to get the sore body one more time going.
              Completly differant approach to todays eventing.
              Modern D-Box drill would have helped a lot, but than the idea of icing a horse or hosing it down while being sweaty and hot was considered killing a horse. I still flinch when I do that, even that I know it is ok to do
              I do remember that too.
              Phoenix Farm ~ Breeding-Training-Sales
              Eventing, Dressage, Young Horses
              www.phoenixsporthorses.com
              Check out my new blog: http://califcountrymom.blogspot.com

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              • #47
                My reaction isn't based on the video. I was not there. I was 16 years old, and in Pony Club in Northern VA. I knew a lot of Pony Clubbers and their families who did go. They came home pretty horrified at what they saw. None of our B's and A's wanted to go Pro after that.

                We had the best interests of the horse drilled into us. Yes, the heat and humidity was a problem. But the bigger problem was that there were no concessions made - not by officials, not by coaches, not by riders. They all went along and many rode horses beyond their limits. What my friends saw changed them. I did not really understand at first. I was told you had to be there.

                Watching one person ride a horse around when that horse is "done" for any reason is truly painful. But watching multiple horses struggle and still be pressed on? If I had seen that I probably wouldn't be here now either.

                SCFarm
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                • #48
                  Volturno was amazing, and his death was positively criminal and gruesome - (not related to the Championships). He's buried at the Head of the Lake.

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                  • #49
                    Originally posted by flutie1 View Post
                    Volturno was amazing, and his death was positively criminal and gruesome - (not related to the Championships). He's buried at the Head of the Lake.
                    What happened?

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                    • #50
                      Riderboy - you have a pm.

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                      • #51
                        Caroline Treviranus

                        I have no idea if any of you guys that posted about Caroline Treviranus are still following this forum, but I am her daughter. She gave birth to me at age 39 because she did not trust herself to have a kid. She is the best parent any child could have ask for. I am now 19 years old and have heard more stories about her prime than anyone. They still to this day do not get old! She is doing absolutely great and is still riding horses to this day. She does not event anymore but she has three personal horses that she plays around on. She has passed all her knowledge down to me and I am so grateful for that. I just wanted to thank all of you that supported her through her injury and are still saying nice things to this day!
                        Best wishes,
                        Denya Dee Leake

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                        • #52
                          I never met your Mom. I do have great admiration of how she developed 2 horses and completed the 1974 and 1978 Championships. Especially the ride in 1974 after breaking her collar bone, the relationship she had with that mare, amazing. She showed great courage and determination as she worked to rebuild her life after the fall in 1978.
                          "Never do anything that you have to explain twice to the paramedics."
                          Courtesy my cousin Tim

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                          • #53
                            I have a 1978 world equestrian games plate that is hanging on my wall....i got it at a consignment shop. Does anyone else have these or know what they are from? I've always wondered

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                            • #54
                              it has this symbol on it except for the writing: https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&...2F%3B300%3B300

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