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Marylin Little and the Wellington Showcase

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  • Marylin Little and the Wellington Showcase

    I am sick and tired of this woman, her team and the disgusting way they are tainting the sport of eventing!

    They way she rode Demeter today in the cross country phase at the WES was appalling. If you need to see it for yourself they will post a recap of the live feed (or maybe you won't see it when ML will have the video removed)

    I'm also sick of absolutely nobody calling her out. Enough is enough. We don't need this person and this family in this sport.

    What is your definition of "Horseman" or "Horsewoman"?

    ML couldn't be further from it.

    Shame on you ML, KOC and anyone who thinks the way she has conducted herself in the sport of eventing the past 6 years is acceptable.

    I hope, for the sake of the horses that have suffered at the hands of your selfishness, that karma comes swiftly for you.

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    Do we really have to rehash this tired old subject?

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    • #3
      I'm not a fan of ML and I'd like to see her be held accountable for her lack of horsemanship, but I'll stop short of wishing harm upon anyone.

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      • #4
        I'm sorry she fell, but I'm relieved she didn't win. I'd like to see her disciplined/set down for poor horsemanship, not injured/killed for it.

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        • #5
          Unfortunately a lack of horsemanship always catches up with people - it's one of the reasons officials have got to make tough decisions - because in Eventing that often means serious injuries or fatalities. People and horses die while making no mistakes - this is not a forgiving sport. As far as rehashing this tired old subject - until the sport is clean as a whistle, yup, it's going to be & ought to be put on the front page news. For the good of the humans, horses, and ultimately the sport. I don't want to see anyone or any horse injured.

          I'm surprised it's a RF because I'd call it a horse fall but perhaps I'm not familiar enough with the intricacies of the rules? Anyone care to weigh in on that. PD "got away" with a similar fall a couple years ago on Fernhill Fugitive, is MLM at risk of being set down if it were a MR?

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          • #6
            Originally posted by goodmorning View Post
            I'm surprised it's a RF because I'd call it a horse fall but perhaps I'm not familiar enough with the intricacies of the rules? Anyone care to weigh in on that. PD "got away" with a similar fall a couple years ago on Fernhill Fugitive, is MLM at risk of being set down if it were a MR?
            Does it even matter if it's a RF or MR if the showcase is not being run under the auspices of the USEA/USEF/FEI?

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Groom&Taxi View Post
              Does it even matter if it's a RF or MR if the showcase is not being run under the auspices of the USEA/USEF/FEI?
              Technically, no. But I have a really hard time seeing the scoring not accurately reflected in the live scores. There were two horse falls at PF CIC3* in 2015 that were recorded as RF. As a result, one of those horses then was able to go onto Rolex, while if it had been recorded properly as an MR, the horse would have run afoul of the re-qualification rules after it then fell at The Fork. The horse then fell at Rolex too.

              I personally hate seeing this information represented inaccurately on any scoring mechanism. I don't know if someone is putting pressure on someone else to make it an RF when it should be an MR to keep publicity positive. But it's a Problem for safety when we can't accurately track horse falls, which are the biggest killer in this sport.

              This was a horse fall. It should be marked as an MR. As a non-sanctioned event, it wouldn't have any effect whatsoever on losing qualifications, which is even more reason to mark it properly. The only reason I can see to not mark it as MR is to make the show look better.

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              • #8
                I do like to think results are accurate - even HTs & CTs do their best. I'd especially hope a showcase of our sport would take some pride in their ability to accurately report results, particularly with a 100k purse. However you're likely right, are there any ramifications for an MR at this type of event? I'm not sure. But it should absolutely be on the horse & riders show record.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Divine Comedy View Post
                  Technically, no. But I have a really hard time seeing the scoring not accurately reflected in the live scores. There were two horse falls at PF CIC3* in 2015 that were recorded as RF. As a result, one of those horses then was able to go onto Rolex, while if it had been recorded properly as an MR, the horse would have run afoul of the re-qualification rules after it then fell at The Fork. The horse then fell at Rolex too.

                  I personally hate seeing this information represented inaccurately on any scoring mechanism. I don't know if someone is putting pressure on someone else to make it an RF when it should be an MR to keep publicity positive. But it's a Problem for safety when we can't accurately track horse falls, which are the biggest killer in this sport.

                  This was a horse fall. It should be marked as an MR. As a non-sanctioned event, it wouldn't have any effect whatsoever on losing qualifications, which is even more reason to mark it properly. The only reason I can see to not mark it as MR is to make the show look better.
                  Got it. I wasn't thinking bigger picture, but duh. I have been a show secretary for shows at a couple of different levels and am always for accuracy and transparency in any publicly posted results.

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                  • #10
                    The horse fell and threw ML clear and then rolled on her due to forward momentum as they were traveling at speed prior. The horse was down and thankfully got up. I was there watching and I'm baffled that this was recorded as a RF.

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                    • #11
                      I only saw a few fences of ML's ride, but I saw a lot of the same style she's known for: run fast and yank on the horse's face a few strides before the fence. Hard to get a rhythm going with such dramatic changes. I thought it was somewhat ironic that the announcer described her as being "very competitive" and only a couple fences later Demi fell.

                      I hope ML is OK after her fall - it looked nasty. But I do agree with the above statements that this should have absolutely been a MR, not a RF, and the score (and subsequent rules applying to it) needs to reflect it.

                      Also - since I'm on my phone & can't see the rulebook easily - can someone remind me of the procedures regarding competitors who have had a recorded concussion? Aren't they mandated to take X weeks off and get cleared by a doctor before competing again?
                      Road to the T3D
                      Translation
                      fri [fri:] fritt fria (adj): Free
                      skritt [skrit:] skritten (noun): Walk

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                      • #12
                        2. In conjunction with GR1316, the following apply in the case of a fall/accident or other injury likely to cause concus-sion (as determined by quali ed medical personnel):
                        1. No loss of consciousness and no sign of concussion - No mandatory suspension;
                        2. No loss of consciousness but with brief symptoms of concussion e.g. confusion, loss of memory, altered mental
                          state (all symptoms of concussion must have resolved within 15 minutes both at rest and exercise) - minimum of
                          7 days mandatory suspension. The day of injury counts as the rst day of suspension period.
                        3. Any loss of consciousness, however brief, or symptoms of concussion persisting after 15 minutes - minimum 21
                          days mandatory suspension. The day of injury counts as the rst day of the suspension period.
                        4. Notwithstanding the above, riders who have established a baseline neurocognitive skills level through a Federa-tion approved testing program e.g. IMPACT test may return to competition upon submission to the Federation of
                          certi cation that they have passed an exam establishing that they have suffered no impairment of that level. In
                          addition, they must submit clearance as required under GR1316.6.
                        5. All other riders may, at the expiration of the mandatory suspension period, return to competition by complying
                          with the requirements of GR1316.5.

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                        • #13
                          I read something recently online (but for the life of me I can't remember who said it or where I read it), and the gist of it was that it was dangerous to be adjusting the horse all the way to the jump. I gasped when I saw ML's 3rd fence on the live feed (right after 1:45ish). I thought immediately that this wasn't going to end well. What horse can do its job safely and consistently when it's being severely yanked on to the base of the freaking fence?? I just went back and watched, and again, my response to several of her fences was "Jesus!" because of the way she was sawing on the mare's mouth basically to the point of take-off.

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                          • #14
                            Is Ms. Little OK? Clearly the horse fell and got up after rolling over her.

                            No matter what anyone's opinion of a rider's expertise (or lack thereof) may be, I can't imagine that anyone likes to see someone injured. Hope both came out OK.

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                            • #15
                              I believe I heard she was released from the hospital today and was for all intents and purposes just fine. She went out of precaution, which I do appreciate. Whether that was her call or an officials call its nice to see riders health and safety being accounted for and not just brushing them off and allowing them on their next horse.

                              That being said, I am not a fan of ML, I think she can ride a beautiful show jump round, but Demi's way of going today really mirrored her trip at Rolex in 2016. She seemed to be a bit run off her feet, not jumping as well as she could and just generally out of sorts. The showcase is atypical of most events because it is so condensed. The riders with bigger horses racked up a good bit of time penalities simply because they had more horse to move around the course. Demi is a big mare, it would have been nice to see her slow it down and school the course as opposed to running around the course with the mare strung out 95% of the time and then hauling on her face two strides out.

                              Also I liked how the fleece under Demi's mouth was black... cue eye roll.
                              Last edited by mfleming13; Feb. 5, 2017, 11:35 PM.

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                              • #16
                                Thank you. Glad to hear there were no serious injuries.

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                                • #17
                                  I'm not a huge fan of these sort of showcases generally but apparently they're getting more popular because we're having something similar at Devon this year.

                                  PS- "all intents and purposes"
                                  ~Veronica
                                  "The Son Dee Times" "Sustained" "Somerset" "Franklin Square"
                                  http://photobucket.com/albums/y192/vxf111/

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                                  • #18
                                    is there perhaps a more effective solution than rating here, where 99.995 of us agree with you?

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                                    • #19
                                      I think the announcer meant that ML rides to win, and that she was in a position to do so after SJ, not that this particular round was a good one.

                                      I saw a horse who made several long/flat jump efforts and the last one caught up with her. She certainly seemed to be going much faster in the beginning than some of the other riders.

                                      It should absolutely be called a horse fall.

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                                      • #20
                                        As has been said - eventing and show jumping are, have always been, and will always be two different beasts. Any attempt to hybridize will always lead to carnage - either today, tomorrow, or next year. Isn't it ironice that they cause it the Wellington "Showcase." It absolutely is a "Showcase." Of stupidiy, shallow-thinking, ego, and hubris.

                                        The riders and owners who support and participate in these things have lost all of my respect. So that means most riders that I may have at one time looked up to and even ridden with.

                                        As with most things in life, you cannot have it both ways.

                                        We all know how I feel about ML. No surprise about her crash and burn. And knowing that crowd, I'm sure it was all jokes and champagne toasts to her afterwards.

                                        For my part, UL eventing is gone and this little Idiocy Showcase is just a rub-in-the-face to those of us who are still bitter about it. And I really don't want to hear about the "prize money" excuse. Waah! We have bills to pay down here in Florida! Poor us!

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