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  • Ugh NQR hind end

    Mare has been NQR for three weeks everything came to a head today. I'm pretty sure it's serious and I'm going to have to trailer her to a vet. I'm looking at 2-3 weeks for an appointment. In the meantime I need input on what I should do, stall rest, turn out etc?


    Three weeks ago she starts being stiff. Especially laterally which is her forte. Would loosen up by the end of the ride but it was a tough road to get there. This coincided to a melting of all our stone and freezing of ground into cement.

    Last week laterally even worse won't track up struggling to stay at canter to the right (which is her good direction). We were working on shoulder in at the canter and 15m circles suddenly couldn't make it around the ring. Would kick out at the walk with right hind.

    Gave her 5 days off. Went out today. Longed her. Sluggish to trot but sound. Canter was a wreck just awful. Couldn't hold leave, right hind would have a sudden hitch and she'd fall to a walk. I didn't push it and ended our session. Touched her all over her right hind and almost got kicked in the gut when I got to the hip joint area.

    So 1) should she continue to go out until I can get her with a vet 2) what should we do when we get there? I'm thinking blocks and ultrasound. Am I way off? My gut tells me something bad is brewing.

    She's very stoic. If you recall she had surgery last year removing an abscess in her knee and never took a lame step. Or maybe I'm just a worry wart.

  • #2
    I would be concerned about EPM, and about waiting so long.


    • Original Poster

      EPM isn't a huge issue in the north country. I have two local horse vets but neither is trust with any sports medical ne at all. My best bet is getting her to Cornell. Without it being an emergency 2-3 weeks is the minimum unfortunately. Maybe there someone in Ottawa but I'd have to do everything to get her across the border.


      • #4
        I think at this point any vet is better than no vet... with such acute problems and her very very obviously painful, she probably needs some kind of pain management until you can get her to a good lameness vet.


        • #5
          Stall rest. If 5 days turn out and it got worse, put her in a stalll and get her to the vet asap.
          ** Tact is the ability to tell someone to go to hell in such a way that they look forward to the trip. ~Winston Churchill? **


          • Original Poster

            Ok that's going to make my barn manager thrilled. But that's what I'll do. And frankly I'm not sure why I didn't think of that.


            • #7
              I would worry either she had a fractured pelvis (mine did his in turn out by himself) or hind suspensory or something similar.
              ** Tact is the ability to tell someone to go to hell in such a way that they look forward to the trip. ~Winston Churchill? **


              • #8
                Is she any better on bute? My mare pulled something while cantering in a small circle and did not want to canter again. Sent her to the vet the next week, who couldn't pinpoint a specific issue, but we all agreed she was "funny" behind. No heat, no swelling. We drew a Lyme titer because that is common in my area, and it was negative.

                Gave her bute for 3 days while she had her regular turnout of about 8 hours without riding for a week. Luckily that was all it took.

                On the human side, I've been having a persistent back spasm with sciatica. I can't imagine how tough it would be for a horse to have that. Hopefully it's not a fracture, but even SI spasm or impingement can be tough to fix.
                Ride on!


                • Original Poster

                  I gotta say the symptoms did not google well high hind suspensory, pelvis fracture and SI all came up. None of it gives me warm fuzzies. And frankly because she is so stoic I bet (if not a pasture stupidity) that it's been brewing a while.


                  • #10
                    I would worry either she had a fractured pelvis (mine did his in turn out by himself) or hind suspensory or something similar.
                    ** Tact is the ability to tell someone to go to hell in such a way that they look forward to the trip. ~Winston Churchill? **


                    • #11
                      Definitely sounds like a pelvis/SI issue. She may have a soft tissue injury up in her SI judging from how acutely the symptoms presented.


                      • Original Poster

                        Local vet comes today at 3:30. Took my trailer to get inspected so if we have to make a trek to Cornell we're ready. I'm just sick to my stomach but trying not to borrow trouble.


                        • #13
                          Originally posted by phoenixrises View Post
                          Local vet comes today at 3:30. Took my trailer to get inspected so if we have to make a trek to Cornell we're ready. I'm just sick to my stomach but trying not to borrow trouble.
                          I had something similar this summer, but it turned out to be a tick borne virus.

                          Best of luck.
                          Boss Mare Eventing Blog


                          • #14
                            I'd be more sick to my stomach waiting weeks and hoping it wasn't a fracture or torn suspensory any step might make worse then finding out pronto.

                            See if the major clinic (Cornell?) can consult with your vet that's coming? They would be who to ask about what protocol to follow when waiting for your appointment in a few weeks...or declaring an emergency and getting her in for advanced diagnostics ASAP.

                            Something like this? I don't like giving any advice, if it's major, which it could be, more harm then good could come of Internet advice. This is not just and off NQR.
                            When opportunity knocks it's wearing overalls and looks like work.

                            The horse world. Two people. Three opinions.


                            • #15
                              IME if turnout makes it worse, stall them - worse it will do is make them a little wild-hair next time they're out. Your symptoms so far make me think hind end pain somewhere - I wouldn't jump to hind end suspensory but it is something to keep in the back of your head. Like other posters I'd suspect pelvic or SI issue, especially if there is difficulty cantering.

                              Jingling for you. Mine also broke his pelvis + rib in turnout.
                              AETERNUM VALE, INVICTUS - 7/10/2012


                              • #16
                                Any outside chance it could be a "mare" thing? Maybe ovaries cranking back up with more daylight? Realize probably not the most likely scenario, but the thought did occur to me so I thought I would throw it into the mix.


                                • #17
                                  Estrus caused problems normally don't last for 3 weeks or affect just the one hind leg so dramatically. Too bad, that could be fixed.
                                  When opportunity knocks it's wearing overalls and looks like work.

                                  The horse world. Two people. Three opinions.


                                  • #18
                                    Originally posted by findeight View Post
                                    Estrus caused problems normally don't last for 3 weeks or affect just the one hind leg so dramatically. Too bad, that could be fixed.
                                    My quick Google search indicates that something like this could be within the realm of possibility although - like I said in my original post - probably not the most likely.
                                    First hit when I googled 'mare ovarian cyst symptoms':
                                    mare ovarian cyst symptoms

                                    From the link:
                                    Occasionally these horses appear uncomfortable or irritable when performing, and the rider may suspect a low-grade lameness. Often back issues or saddle fit problems are mentioned. These horses may be responding to the pull of the tumor on the ovarian ligaments. As the granulosa-theca cell tumor grows in size, it can place pressure on the broad ligament of the ovary that suspends the ovary from the roof of the abdominal cavity. Horses jumping or working at speed may respond adversely to their tumor's pull on this ligament, and they may be reluctant to move forward. These horses may refuse certain gaits or leads; they may be resistant to pressure in the flank or may even kick out when requested to move in a particular manner.


                                    • #19
                                      You could also consider trailering to St-Hyacinthe near Montreal. They may have sooner availability than Cornell, are approximately the same distance and with the exchange rate, the cost may be lower. I don't think the language issue would be a barrier - I know many anglophones who have been quite happy with them. Even as someone who speaks french, I have had many discussions with them in English because I don't know any horse terminology in french! This assumed you know how to deal with the border issues. Just another option to consider.


                                      Also, if you don't think that a university hospital is necessary, there are a couple of veterinary clinics in the Ottawa area that you can trailer into. We have some good lameness vets. Kingston/Brockville may also have options. Again, involves dealing with the border, but may be feasible depending on your exact location.


                                      • Original Poster


                                        Could you tell me about good lameness vets around Brockville/Ottowa. yes the border is a pain but that's less than an hour, vs 3.5.