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My horrible experiences with Texas horse trainer/instructor Ellen Doughty-Hume

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  • This thread has gone to over 100k views in just under a month. Not sure what the COTH BB counts as a view, but by any method - and compared to other threads - that's a lot.

    As Gestalt noted, just when you think it can't get any crazier, boom!

    Sure hope those new folks heading into the fray come out intact.

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    • It seems to me that EDH keeps digging that hole deeper and deeper as the days go by. This is about as far from professional as you can get. It's rude, callous, and taunting. I really think there was more to that text than just gloating in some sort of sick and twisted way. She wanted Stormy to respond.

      With that being said, I think EDH is giving us quite the glimpse into her true personality. While she might post happy-go-lucky, I'll-come-out-on-top-because-I'm-awesome memes onto her Instagram account, I personally think she is anything but that. What kind of barn manager/URL texts a former client to gloat and taunt them? Who leaves a bullet on the counter for property owners to find? (I know, I still can't get over that.) What trainer screams and berates clients, passersby, and show staff when they don't get their way? Someone who has some serious deep-seeded issues, if you ask me. It's practically psychopathic, and it makes me worry what she might be truly capable of under more duress than these posts have caused...

      As for all of these new clients and the new trainer: I hope they know what they're walking into, because if not, they're going to be in for a rude awakening. (If they exist.) Jingles to you all...you'll probably need them.

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      • Nick peronance liked the free publicity too.

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        • I think the "views" are individual IP addresses. It definitely doesn't count each time one of us comes back to the thread. At least it doesn't count mine
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          • The counts do not show up after each view they tally for a while and then a higher number comes up.
            The cue card kid just held up an empty cue card. For a minute there I thought I had lost my sense of humor. --- Red Skelton

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            • Nick peronance liked the free publicity too.
              Nick peronace is the Godwin"s law of COTH

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              • To me, one of the more interesting aspects of this post is how it seems to reflect the current trend of people being sick of the status quo and letting shitty people get away with shitty behavior. As a person who recently broke ties with a super toxic and narcissistic trainer (who incidentally seems to share many of the same personality flaws described in this post), I applaud the OP for being brave enough to call out this person by name, particularly knowing full well that there could have been quite a bit of backlash. Between this and the crackdowns on drugging I've been reading about in the H/J board, I'm hopeful the tides are truly changing in horse sports for the overall welfare of the animals that make this all possible. Maybe that's naive of me, but I choose to hang on to a little hope here.

                Also, and maybe this is a topic for a new thread, but based on how often I hear about unethical and abusive practices from horse professionals, it seems there needs to be more measures available to ensure these people are no longer allowed to make a livelihood from horses. Aside from calling them out on social media, letting our feet do the talking and slapping them with some temporary show bans they can easily work around, what else can be done? I know from personal experience that going the legal route is often pointless because it isn't all that punitive to tap a dry well, but something needs to give so these types of posts and the public outcry aren't all in vain. If all of these allegations are true, is it enough to know her current students and staff will eventually figure it out and also walk? How many more people and horses will have to get hurt in the interim?

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                • "...what else can be done?"

                  A GOOD Certification Program - not the ones we have now which often mimic the same difficulties.

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                  • Stormy has kept everything about this above board. She has focused on facts that can be proven.
                    These facts in and of themselves show exactly what type of person and how 'professional' EDH is.
                    She has let the facts do the talking.
                    Smart girl!
                    Additionally, she has publicly acknowledged there are things she could have done differently. As we all know, there are 2 sides to every story, and it's never just one persons fault. I have been very impressed by this.
                    Hopefully this information may prevent a tragedy in the future. I hate to use those words, but I feel that is actually correct in this case. Even though we will never know what tragedies might have been averted, Stormy should always know she did the right thing and made the world a better place.
                    Thank you Stormy!
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                    • Agree with WB Mom and Hayhay.

                      It is very difficult to ascertain the good from the bad in instruction until you are experienced enough to be able to judge for yourself.

                      One would think that if someone competes at the upper levels, they must be skilled enough to be a good instructor. It is often not until you are in a program with this person that you may begin to question your decision to lesson with them. By then it may be too late and you may find yourself in a toxic relationship but not recognize it for what it is.

                      In deciding to lesson with someone or be in their program, we agree to suspend our beliefs somewhat in order to be open to learning more. A good pupil listens and absorbs what it being taught. A bad pupil argues or ignores what is being taught. I think this is the crux of the problem, especially at the learning stage before a rider is experienced enough to judge for themselves. If the instructor is manipulative or has a personality disorder, it is a recipe for disaster.

                      Which brings me to a question. How do you judge who you would like to lesson from if you are new to an area? I guess the best way would be to watch them teach, if at all possible.

                      I used to believe that an instructor with plenty of successful students would be a good choice, but sometimes the success of students is more based on the quality of horses purchased or number of shows attended than perhaps the skill of the instructor.

                      I also think that different teaching styles resonate with different students. Some are drawn to theory, others mostly repetition and practice.

                      If you clinic with multiple people, is that better or worse than being in one person's program?

                      I can understand how people stay in bad situations because they do not know any better or have never dealt before with someone with a personality disorder of that magnitude. Being someone's teacher automatically puts one in the position of control, and that can be abused, especially for someone with a personality type that is predisposed to that.
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                      • Wow! Just read through this entire thread. OP I am so sorry you went through this and I am glad you got out of the situation. My heart goes out to you. Thank you for sharing this saga with us all. I wish more people would speak up. It reminds me of an MLK quote that I love.

                        "Never, never be afraid to do what's right, especially if the well-being of a person or animal is at stake. Society's punishments are small compared to the wounds we inflict on our soul when we look the other way"

                        OP, I wish you the best. Thanks for being so strong!

                        Just a side note... chiming in from the Seattle area and have NEVER heard of her assistant trainer. Nevermind!!! Jealoushe has better Google skills than I!
                        Last edited by kbrethauer; Jan. 19, 2017, 01:56 PM. Reason: Bad Google skills

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                        • Originally posted by kbrethauer View Post
                          Just a side note... chiming in from the Seattle area and have NEVER heard of her assistant trainer.
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                          • Ah... sorry Jealoushe! On the offending trainer's website she lists a different last name for the new assistant trainer. That's why I couldn't find her. Very sad that this girl is moving to work for such an offensive person. My bad.

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                              • I do hope this young lady thought to do a little research before she decided to make this move.

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                                • [QUOTE]I do hope this young lady thought to do a little research before she decided to make this move. [\QUOTE]

                                  I hope for her sake that someone warned her, or at least sent the links for the Facebook post and this thread. However, if someone did end up warning her, and she's aware of this, and still decided to go forward with the relocation, well, that worries me a bit. I know I'd definitely start rethinking things if I was presented with this information. I would hope that someone who seems like a rather dedicated horsewoman would have the wherewithal to take this thread and the supporting Facebook into consideration when uprooting their life.

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                                  • I'm probably stupid for doing it, but I sent her the link.

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                                    • I don't think you're stupid, I think you did the right thing.

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                                      • Thanks Pictureonemore

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                                        • Originally posted by pictureonemore View Post
                                          I don't think you're stupid, I think you did the right thing.
                                          I agree!

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