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My horrible experiences with Texas horse trainer/instructor Ellen Doughty-Hume

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  • #21
    Originally posted by Scissors
    This may be premature, but I feel like COTH Santa has come early this year!
    it is so disgusting to even read a post that says "Santa came early this year!" when it is about the mistreatment and resulting death of not just one, but many horses. OP is not the only owner to have had a horse die by Ellen's mistreatment.

    Sometimes having the vantage of being outside of a situation can make things appear very obvious; looking in and living in that situation is a very different things. Horses have freak accidents, they die -- and when you're not there full time with the horses or when you're out of the state/traveling often, it can be easy to miss the small signs until they add up to something huge.


    • #22
      hahahahahaha "verbal invisible leash" YESSSS I am totally using this the next time the 5 yr old I nanny is wild in public places!!!
      Dark Side of the Moon
      2010 Thoroughbred mare


      • #23
        I'll provide a little detail, if it helps. OP has quite a few horses and spent months trying to find somewhere to take them all. The "good barns" around here all have waiting lists - she ended up moving them to barns that are over an hour apart. Its hard to find a decent barn around here that has 5+ openings, if theyre decent they dont have 2 openings, if any. Plus 2 of them are babies and another has special needs for turnout.

        So, it is not so simple as "why didnt you just leave"?

        Hope that clarifies.
        Last edited by IrishWillow; Dec. 21, 2016, 05:46 PM.
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        • #24
          So the OP only stayed because she's a bad horse owner who wanted to show and win? That's rather unfair.

          No comments on the trainer/barn or situations though.

          I've known people to leave horrific situations similar to this (I have no knowledge if anything listed is true). They aren't bad horse people who put "winning" above their horse, they just got into crappy situations and made decisions they later deeply regretted, or didn't know about these things until later. I wasn't told for MONTHS that my pasture boarded horse was not getting fed at a barn I boarded at because nobody wanted to speak up. It wasn't until after I put my notice in that someone admitted having personal knowledge of being told to not waste money on feeding the horses in the fields.

          NONE of those people have spoken publicly against the trainer and/or barn because of results just like this on this thread so other people suffer the same fate. It's safer to stay quiet and let future people suffer instead of being vocal.

          Again, I have no direct or indirect knowledge of anything going on, only my perception of similar situations and this BB's reaction


          • #25
            "Quote Originally Posted by findeight
            No matter how flat the pancake, it's got two sides."

            With some people, those two sides look pretty much the same. Its always the same old crepe
            The stories of the T-Rex Eventer

            Big Head, Little Arms, Still Not Thinking It Through


            • #26
              Sendenhorse, people are clarifying on OP's behalf because people are focusing on what the victim did wrong and not what the actual criminal did wrong.
              AETERNUM VALE, INVICTUS - 7/10/2012


              • #27
                Correct. A lot of focus on "Why didnt you just move?" And not on the more important content.

                From enjoytheride: "NONE of those people have spoken publicly against the trainer and/or barn because of results just like this on this thread so other people suffer the same fate. It's safer to stay quiet and let future people suffer instead of being vocal."

                Describes the situation perfectly.
                Last edited by IrishWillow; Dec. 21, 2016, 05:59 PM.
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                • #28
                  People were wondering why the OP didn't leave sooner; having to relocate 5+ horses is an understandable reason it lasted a year. Plus a handful of items on the list of grievances is stuff that might not have been "deal breakers" but illustrate the overall lack of professionalism and poor care the trainer exhibited.

                  I feel sorry for the OP; that's a lot of loss and vet bills to be swimming in. I have mixed feelings about the post, though. I think it's important that pros be held accountable for their actions, but is this airing dirty laundry or providing a cautionary tale? I don't know.


                  • #29
                    One does wonder why OP would expect this barn owner to learn from mistakes, such as to maybe NOT turn horses out in the drowning pasture anymore, considering that halfway through the post I had lost track of how many horses ...5?.... OP continued to board with this person, for at least enough time for this 15 item enumerated list of transgressions to occur.

                    Heeyyyoooooo, my horses are dropping like flies let's not make any changes nope.
                    The Noodle
                    Boy Wonder
                    The Hana is nuts! NUTS!!


                    • #30
                      I'm not sure why y'all are fixating on the OP not leaving when we could be discussing the Majikal Invisible Verbal Leash that is apparently horse show legal.


                      • #31
                        This thread makes me realize why it's so incredibly difficult to report rape.

                        So much victim blaming going on.


                        • #32
                          The fact is that Ellen has been asked to leave 4 different barns in the area in 6 years time.

                          For those of you supporting Ellen Doughty-Hume, giving her the benefit of the doubt or trying to cast a doubt on Stormy17's post, please by all means, DO NOT DO YOUR RESEARCH and offer Ellen a training/coaching job (preferably as far away from Area V as possible).

                          For everyone else, do you research - but sadly you'll need to dig deeper for reasons that have been made abundantly clear on this forum.


                          • #33
                            I am not exactly blaming the OP for not leaving. However, to list that many problems at one barn certainly raises some questions. It suggests either that (a) these other issues are only seen as problems in hindsight and/or (b) that they are exaggerated.

                            It's also interesting that some of the house guests are defending the OP by saying two rather incompatible things. One, that people are afraid to leave the training barn or to speak up. And, two, that "everyone" in the "tight-knit" community knows about the bad practices in the barn. These cannot both be true. If the barn in question was a known bad apple, then the horse owners leaving the barn would get a lot of support, maybe a warning in advance, and people would certainly help them "escape."


                            • #34



                              OK, this is genuinely getting interesting!!
                              Last edited by Moderator 1; Dec. 22, 2016, 05:17 PM.


                              • #35
                                Scribbler - Actually they CAN both be true. Most people that have had problems are new to the area, Eventing, or horses in general. So they actually DON'T know. But everyone who has grown up here does. And, I'm sorry, but people ARE afraid to speak up.
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                                • #36
                                  Heeey, Scribbler, please add a NSFW next time you link to a porno site. I am sitting at work and clicked on that.


                                  • #37
                                    Scribbler - congratulations?

                                    I don't think Stormy was trying to hide her identity in the slightest, but her profession truly has absolutely zero bearing on this discussion.


                                    • #38
                                      For the record people, the OP now has 4 of her horses at my barn and another 3 at a friend's barn. My barn has a waiting list so I had to toss my own competitive horses out to pasture to make room for her - which I gladly did that because she is a friend who had finally run out of patience and run into desperation.

                                      And before you ask, Stormy17 also travels a lot for work and rely on other's to care for her horses (meaning, she has little choice but to board her horses). Having a place of her own is not exactly the answer.

                                      "Why didn't she move sooner?" Let's be honest, the people that know Stormy17 rhetorically asked the same question - but the reaility is that she didn't move because (1) she is generous and loyal to a fault and (2) there actually was no where to move that many horses.

                                      She still never technically found a place but instead has had to split up her herd and board them a hour and a half apart. So stop judging. It is unnecessary and quite frankly ridiculous.

                                      7 horses. Area barns full and with waitlists. Travel schedule. Family. And a genuinely decent person who wants to see the best in people (even if they don't deserve it). For those of you who continue to want to ask then question "why didn't you move sooner", please take some time to explain to all of us how you would have handled the situation differently.


                                      • #39
                                        I think a lot of it has to do with the friendship that is developed between rider/owner and trainer. Not as many people are so willing to leave a barn when there's a "barn family" or a good trainer friendship. For some people, their horse barn might be the only social environment they have. So this combined with having a large amount of horses with specific care needs, a lack of qualified facilities with open stalls and even just ability to commute are all factors.

                                        I think it shows a lot of guts to do what OP did. Wouldn't you want to know these type of things before moving your horse into an upper level eventing facility ? I'm sure it wasn't cheap to board there. I don't know Ellen, I don't know the inside details but I can sense it took awhile for the OP to reach her breaking point . Sad it had to come to this.
                                        Dark Side of the Moon
                                        2010 Thoroughbred mare


                                        • #40
                                          Gotta love it. So much time spent critiquing the OP and her profession than what is being said in the post.

                                          Knowing the OP personally, I can attest that all of these events are, in fact, true. And no, I'm no houseguest. I may not be active all the time, but I'm not the OP. With that being said, these events are not exaggerated nor are they false. I think it is interesting that the automatic focus is on what the OP "should have done" rather than the events themselves. As for those of us who have spoken up to verify the events in question (ahem, SendenHorse), it because it seems to be quite necessary.

                                          And so what of the OP's profession? Does that automatically make her a liar and someone who shouldn't be believed? If so, that's really rich. It's not even remotely relevant to this post, but kudos to you for bringing it up.