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  • Eventing TB analysis - another thread

    http://www.pedigreequery.com/josharoo

    This is the pedigree of one of Stephen Bradley's horse - who finished in the top 10 at Rolex several times.

    What is it in the pedigree that might suggest a good event horse?
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    Giving this thread a bump in case anyone has ideas
    Last edited by SnicklefritzG; Nov. 13, 2016, 08:31 PM.

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    • #3
      There are a lot of really nice racehorses in that lineage. You have to keep in mind the differences in eventing then versus now. There was a lot more need for endurance back then.
      A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it.

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        Well, you can start with Chieftain, who was Shaab's damsire and the sire of Fit to Fight, both of whom have produced European sport horses that have competed at very high FEI levels.

        There are a lot of horses in that pedigree who have produced exceptionally well for sport, like HTR, Lalun, Spy Song, What a Pleasure and Grey Flight. There are more.

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          Originally posted by vineyridge View Post
          Well, you can start with Chieftain, who was Shaab's damsire and the sire of Fit to Fight, both of whom have produced European sport horses that have competed at very high FEI levels.

          There are a lot of horses in that pedigree who have produced exceptionally well for sport, like HTR, Lalun, Spy Song, What a Pleasure and Grey Flight. There are more.
          Thanks Viney. I'm curious to learn more about what you think of the dam side in particular. I'm not as familiar with some of the horses you mentioned that happen to be on that side.

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            He has a lot of staying blood.

            The triple line breeding to BR sure didn't hurt. Chieftan had some really nice horses.

            Hail To Reason, by Turn To, is as good a line as any for the long format. There's lots and lots of power in that engine room; Mahmoud, Mumtaz Mahal, Blenheim... etc..

            Honestly, it is likely just as much that he ended up in the right hands.
            AETERNUM VALE, INVICTUS - 7/10/2012

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            • #7
              It has one of my favorite lines up close--What a Pleasure (which gets you Grey Flight). Strong to have Nasrullah up close too. Lots of Athletic lines...then you add he got into the right hands.
              ** Tact is the ability to tell someone to go to hell in such a way that they look forward to the trip. ~Winston Churchill? **

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              • #8
                Stephen Bradley won Burghley with Sassy Reason, who also had a lot of Hail to Reason blood.

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                  Hail To Reason: http://www.pedigreequery.com/hail+to+reason

                  Tail male to Royal Charger, who is a dynasty sire for long format.

                  Bottom has Blue Larkspur & Sir Gallahad. BL will put good movement on a horse, and SG comes from a very powerful family.

                  It's a shame the Royal Charger line was not preserved from a sport perspective. There were many of his direct descendants in the long format.
                  AETERNUM VALE, INVICTUS - 7/10/2012

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                  • #10
                    It's a Very Old pedigree and you won t find chiefton up close anytime now......Most of the sires and Dam sires will now be in 5 th generation at best....Having Princequillo and Turn To speak volumes......and all the Bold Ruler....but to keep going back that far dilutes the Blood......Our sport has evolved and so has our racing stock.....I still look for old turf bred distance horses which is harder and harder......

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                      Interesting discussion thus far. The dam has produced other event horses, maybe not at the 4* level, but athletic types who themselves have produced athletic horses for sport, so I was naturally very curious about what was happening on both sides on the pedigree.

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                      • #12
                        What a Pleasure and his dam Grey Flight are in the pedigrees of a lot of very nice horses. They all tend to have a fantastic shoulder and very good balance and mover. It used to be a sought after line for hunters...but also for timber horses and event horses. He sired Foolish Pleasure who was the horse that won ill fated match race with Ruffian.

                        Foolish Pleasure was the sire of Foligno. Foligno stood locally in Unionville. One of his sons won the MD Hunt Cup twice. He also sired a number of very nice horses.

                        I've owned several horses with What a Pleasure line and have really liked all of them. It is much harder to find up close. This is a current sale horse of mine. Well above average mover. Sensitive and has raced a TON so is just taking a bit longer to re-train but will be a lovely eventer next year. http://www.pedigreequery.com/lwf+love+hurts
                        ** Tact is the ability to tell someone to go to hell in such a way that they look forward to the trip. ~Winston Churchill? **

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                        • #13
                          BFNE...THat pedigree has Wild Again and on the Dam side Not For Love....the Not For Love is the clincher as far as that pedigree goes..a well known solid produced 1. of mares/Dams..and 2. top quality sports horses.... Wild Again was no slouch for producing horses who can jump....

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                            Originally posted by judybigredpony View Post
                            BFNE...THat pedigree has Wild Again and on the Dam side Not For Love....the Not For Love is the clincher as far as that pedigree goes..a well known solid produced 1. of mares/Dams..and 2. top quality sports horses.... Wild Again was no slouch for producing horses who can jump....
                            I know...he has lovely pedigree. If he was a filly, I would be adding him to my broodmare band but oh well. He needed a soft landing (and not to be pushed as a RRP horse). He is a bit mentally fried from running 30 times in less than 24 months but very sound and clean legs. His breeder/owner does really care about him and followed up to make sure he landed in a good place (which is always nice). He's coming around but just taking some time. He is going to make someone a cool horse but for now, we are just taking it a bit slow.
                            ** Tact is the ability to tell someone to go to hell in such a way that they look forward to the trip. ~Winston Churchill? **

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                              Tail female to Brown Berry, who was one heck of a good mare. I can't off the top of my head remember how, but she does appear in the pedigrees of several successful European sport horses, maybe through Avatar, and her sire, Mount Marcy, is responsible for a couple of British 4* horses. He's also responsible for some very dicey temperament in his sons.

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                              • #16
                                Originally posted by vineyridge View Post
                                Tail female to Brown Berry, who was one heck of a good mare. I can't off the top of my head remember how, but she does appear in the pedigrees of several successful European sport horses, maybe through Avatar, and her sire, Mount Marcy, is responsible for a couple of British 4* horses. He's also responsible for some very dicey temperament in his sons.
                                Thanks. This guy is very athletic and looks to have the jump and bravery. Not a dicey temperament but very sensitive and quick...which in the wrong hands would be bad.
                                ** Tact is the ability to tell someone to go to hell in such a way that they look forward to the trip. ~Winston Churchill? **

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                                  Originally posted by vineyridge View Post
                                  Tail female to Brown Berry, who was one heck of a good mare. I can't off the top of my head remember how, but she does appear in the pedigrees of several successful European sport horses, maybe through Avatar, and her sire, Mount Marcy, is responsible for a couple of British 4* horses. He's also responsible for some very dicey temperament in his sons.
                                  Viney, could we get some additional insight into the damside of the horse in the original post?

                                  Grey flight and what a pleasure seemed to be two that were noteworthy. Anything else in there, perhaps from boss's dancer or elsewhere in cricket drummer's line?

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