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  • William Fox-Pitt in VA

    Riding and auditing is open, for details please PM or visit:

    https://www.facebook.com/events/1722...650732/?ti=icl
    Kelly
    It is rare to see a rider who is truly passionate about the horse and his training, taking a profound interest in dressage with self-abnegation, and making this extraordinarily subtle work one of the dominant motivations of his life.\"

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    The WFP clinic that just happened here at Great Meadows in Virginia was $500 per 45 minutes session. Auditing was $45 at the gate or $34 ahead of time.

    No coffee in the morning, no lunch, people had to drive out to a nearby town to get food. They had bagels and cheese/fruit in the morning along with water. Those who trailered in and could not drive out, ended up making lunch from the breakfast bagels.

    There was no flyer or handout telling you who was riding or the schedule. I ended up borrowing a piece of paper with the info on it from an auditor who had gotten the information somewhere.

    I think the cost was due to the event organizer requiring a profit and, of course, the facility fees.

    WFP was awesome but due to limitations of time and being in an arena the entire time, there were not great opportunities to learn. 45 minutes in a semi-private lesson (on Saturday) did not provide much jump time. The other two days were private 45 min sessions.

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    • #3
      From a rider standpoint, I agree it was difficult to audit and trailer in as I really didn't want my horses on the rig for 10 or so hours while I watched. I overheard some chatter about a sponsor who was supposed to provide breakfast and lunch for the riders and their grooms backed out at the last minute.

      While Great Meadow is a fabulous venue, they don't offer much when it comes to renting the facility. Basically, all you get is the ring, lights and sound system. I know the organizer had to hire a man to bring in jumps and rent the portapotties herself.
      She had to ask GM for trash bags because they didn't even bother to put out trash cans to use!

      I hope, in the future, she finds a place with onsite stabling and an indoor. We got VERY lucky with the weather for this clinic.

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      • #4
        Well I was a rider and found it worth it for me and know others who agreed. I get that it might be out of the price range for others. But his hourly rate is still a touch less than mine.

        I was stabled less than 10 minutes away. Even with two of us going at different times it worked out fine (although the organizer had our times close two of the days). Horses never had to stand on the trailer long. We just ran them back to the barns. I think it would have been tough for those more local who were trailing back and forth a longer distance. I also have the option of making box stalls in my rig but in the end, it was just as easy for us to run them back and forth. I managed to watch a ton. My work kept me from going to the dinner and auditing more. I wouldn't have seen any more had my horse been stabled at the venue.

        Thank goodness we were very lucky with the weather.

        As for the food...well, I can't comment as I'm on a diet (Isagenix meal replacement shakes) so I wouldn't have eaten anything anyway.

        Rider times were posted on Facebook and final list was emailed.

        But yes, expensive clinic but for some of us, this was like going to a destination event. For me, I hardly competed this year for various reasons so as an expense, this is what I did instead of competing. I was fine with the costs and am fine with an organizer making a profit. But know that any profit is not much given facility fees, air fair and accommodation etc. and the pain in the ass factor of organizing a clinic! Glad someone else is willing to do it and I would ride with WFP again if the opportunity arose.


        But I had three good lessons and took away some good things to work on and think about even if I didn't ride perfectly! I jumped two of the days so was glad he limited what amount of jumping we did. I think he could tell when someone got the point which I appreciated. Lessons all three days followed the same theme or concept which having talked with him later really is the base of his entire training program. Keeping it simple....just not easy to do.
        ** Tact is the ability to tell someone to go to hell in such a way that they look forward to the trip. ~Winston Churchill? **

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        • #5
          Glad you got a lot out of the clinic, BFNE! As I said above, WFP was awesome and it sound like you learned a lot, which makes it totally worth it. Somehow I thought that you had said that you did not learn anything new but that was some sort of delusional hiccup on my part. And that is good that they emailed you the schedule so that you knew what the expect and when.

          The riders I talked with did not know about the dinner.

          WFP is a gifted trainer and clinician and I am glad that you got to take advantage of that.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Winding Down View Post
            Glad you got a lot out of the clinic, BFNE! As I said above, WFP was awesome and it sound like you learned a lot, which makes it totally worth it. Somehow I thought that you had said that you did not learn anything new but that was some sort of delusional hiccup on my part. And that is good that they emailed you the schedule so that you knew what the expect and when.

            The riders I talked with did not know about the dinner.

            WFP is a gifted trainer and clinician and I am glad that you got to take advantage of that.

            I didn't learn anything new but that is NOT saying I didn't get anything out of the clinic. When you are as old as I am and have had as good training as I have been lucky to have....I rarely if ever hear something I haven't been told before in training a horse and rider BUT it is still good to hear things said differently or a different focus. Or being reminded of things you may know but it is still good to be reminded.


            Good horse training is NOT magical or secret. The GOOD trainers all say the same damn things and have for basically centuries. (Most is very simple, just not always easy to implement). They may just say them slightly differently or have a slight different focus. And a good trainer has a good eye as to what is going on with a particular horse and/or rider.


            ETA: The dinner was in two different emails sent to all the riders along with all the other information on the clinic and stabling etc.
            ** Tact is the ability to tell someone to go to hell in such a way that they look forward to the trip. ~Winston Churchill? **

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            • #7
              Can't speak to any of this, just want to add, along the lines of learning new things, every good trainer I have ever ridden with or listened to has said, in principle, the same exact things. They may use different words or get around to it a bit differently, but it's all the same, at its core....and that is across the disciplines. This weekend, while watching a friend's lessons, was the first time I've ever heard anything remotely new (well, new and GOOD. I've heard some really wacky things) in probably 15 years...but even then, the exercises were things I've done a million times. The philosophy was new (and brilliant).
              Amanda

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              • #8
                Originally posted by yellowbritches View Post
                Can't speak to any of this, just want to add, along the lines of learning new things, every good trainer I have ever ridden with or listened to has said, in principle, the same exact things. They may use different words or get around to it a bit differently, but it's all the same, at its core....and that is across the disciplines. This weekend, while watching a friend's lessons, was the first time I've ever heard anything remotely new (well, new and GOOD. I've heard some really wacky things) in probably 15 years...but even then, the exercises were things I've done a million times. The philosophy was new (and brilliant).
                Of course all good trainers have the same core principles but there are often bits of new ideas and certainly differences in opinion.

                Now I am curious about what new thing you learned this weekend, and from whom!

                And while the principles are the same, the approaches are very different. I liked that WFP discouraged adding strides, for example. He also had some very good advice for individual riders that was good take-home advice. For example, I now ride my pony in a 16 inch saddle, and not the more comfortable-to-me 17 inch that I've been using, based on his advice about saddle fit and horse conformation. Also, I watched some LOVELY riding in one of the early groups on Saturday which really reminded me about upper body position. Yes, I watch these riders compete but that is different from watching them being taught by WFP.

                I also greatly appreciate clinicians who teach the riders and do not preach to the audience. WFP was most definitely focused on the riders so there was no theatrical bit etc, and he did not talk about himself or his experiences at all. I like that a lot.

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                • Original Poster

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Winding Down View Post
                  The WFP clinic that just happened here at Great Meadows in Virginia was $500 per 45 minutes session. Auditing was $45 at the gate or $34 ahead of time.

                  No coffee in the morning, no lunch, people had to drive out to a nearby town to get food. They had bagels and cheese/fruit in the morning along with water. Those who trailered in and could not drive out, ended up making lunch from the breakfast bagels.

                  There was no flyer or handout telling you who was riding or the schedule. I ended up borrowing a piece of paper with the info on it from an auditor who had gotten the information somewhere.

                  I think the cost was due to the event organizer requiring a profit and, of course, the facility fees.

                  WFP was awesome but due to limitations of time and being in an arena the entire time, there were not great opportunities to learn. 45 minutes in a semi-private lesson (on Saturday) did not provide much jump time. The other two days were private 45 min sessions.
                  I'm the organizer of this clinic and I would like to clarify a few things in this post.

                  First, there were several behind the scenes problems with a few sponsors who promised the catering and did not follow through. This left the riders in a lurch which I had tried to rectify last minute, but between the details of my travel, rider's needs, sponsor demands and others, it wasn't addressed to my satisfaction. It's something I'm not proud of, but it happened.

                  For the future I've already reached out and am looking at catering companies that can encompass things, and improved the contracts for sponsors who want to do something like this.

                  The prices and times that were also stated here aren't correct.

                  It was 30/day per auditor if you pre-registered and 45 at the door. Schedule was posted on the Facebook Page and also general times were emailed.

                  The rides were 550 per lesson per day, with a minimum two rides. The first two days were 30 minute privates and the last day was 45 minute semi-private.

                  The first day ran over due to a conflicting schedule with Jeep and their team. Second day ran ahead consistently and third day ran ahead as well.

                  I understand this is an expensive clinic, and the price as an organizer and rider, I do not like charging. It didn't allow several riders who are regulars and really deserved spots to come and ride because of budgetary constraints.

                  There were things within that pricing structure that I normally do not have in there, that I had this year (jump rental, port a potties, ect) and as such, I had to add in, causing the price to increase.

                  The rider feedback I received is that the privates were enjoyed, but if there was to be a private lesson 45's would be preferable, that the arena was good idea as it was late in the year for many riders/horses and the risk going to the fields outweighed the rewards, but need more portables for the jump day, that stabling should be onsite and an indoor just in case of bad weather.

                  All of which is in the works for 2017.

                  As always, I'm thrilled and pleased with my riders, and I cannot thank them enough for coming out over the three days and working with WFP and myself. I appreciate the sponsors who stepped up to the plate (Albion, Musto, Jeep, Brody Robertson Jumps) and helped out this clinic and gave it a super polish.

                  I'm always open to suggestions. I do want to make this a positive experience for everyone and there is a definite balance between hard numbers and wishes. However, I hope this clarifies some of the statements above, but if anyone has any questions or suggestions I'm always open to it, please email: tempichange@gmail.com
                  Kelly
                  It is rare to see a rider who is truly passionate about the horse and his training, taking a profound interest in dressage with self-abnegation, and making this extraordinarily subtle work one of the dominant motivations of his life.\"

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                  • #10
                    I went along to watch my friend's lessons. Kelly, I think you summed it up well. The lessons were excellent. WFP was very good with a wide variety of riders and horses, at different levels and with different needs. He quickly and tactfully assessed the horses and riders, and made good suggestions. The delay on the first day was hard. My friend's horse was in the trailer about 3 hours. We were tired, hungry, and cold by the end of the evening. The clinic was very worthwhile. My friend definitely felt she got her money's worth.

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