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Article: Could excessive magnesium supplementation contribute to Eventing deaths?

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    Article: Could excessive magnesium supplementation contribute to Eventing deaths?

    http://equifeast-shop.com/is-magnesi...enting-deaths/

    Thoughts?

    The gist is that excess magnesium is not excreted but builds up in the horse's body, that too much impairs brain function and has the same effect as Ace.

    #2
    I saw that, too. It's certainly concerning. I fed my horse nupafeed over the winter and did not notice much of a change, but I won't be feeding it again if it can impair brain function.
    Last edited by PrinceSheik325; May. 17, 2016, 10:28 AM.

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      #3
      Awesome, an article with absolutely no research behind it, written by someone who just happens to sell a special magnesium supplement. That's pretty gross.

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        #4
        Originally posted by Highflyer View Post
        Awesome, an article with absolutely no research behind it, written by someone who just happens to sell a special magnesium supplement. That's pretty gross.
        Yep. Junk and pseudoscience capitalizing on someone else's tragedy. Shameful.
        Balanced Care Equine

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          #5
          Oh, how I love this: "abductable science has a host of anecdotal evidence". Also known as, "I checked my horoscope and my ouija board, and I surmise ..."

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            #6
            What on earth is "abductable science"?
            ~Veronica
            "The Son Dee Times" "Sustained" "Somerset" "Franklin Square"
            http://photobucket.com/albums/y192/vxf111/

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              #7
              Originally posted by Highflyer View Post
              Awesome, an article with absolutely no research behind it, written by someone who just happens to sell a special magnesium supplement. That's pretty gross.
              No no, he sells a CALCIUM supplement. If only all those poor saps feeding magnesium would switch to his CALCIUM supplement... all would be right with the world.
              ~Veronica
              "The Son Dee Times" "Sustained" "Somerset" "Franklin Square"
              http://photobucket.com/albums/y192/vxf111/

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                #8
                Originally posted by Highflyer View Post
                Awesome, an article with absolutely no research behind it, written by someone who just happens to sell a special magnesium supplement. That's pretty gross.
                So where's the research from the other supplement companies selling Mg as a calming supplement? Or from any other supplement company COTH'ers mention as being effective? IMO, most supplements are under researched (at best), over claimed, over used, and in general...a waste of money.

                Rather than having a total disregard for the article, maybe you should take time to watch the video link. I admit for 22 minutes, some of it is painful to listen to, however he does bring up some interesting points. Valid or not, I can't say other than maybe more research needs to be done.

                It appears that what he is selling is organic Ca, which may help in the utilization of Mg.
                "It were not best that we should all think alike; it is difference of opinion that makes horse races."

                Mark Twain

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                  #9
                  There's absolutely an appropriate way to approach that concern scientifically.

                  But do you really think he even knows whether the horses that had those falls were being supplemented with magnesium? Or do you think he chose the most upsetting photo/ headline combination he could?

                  I absolutely agree with you that most, if not all, supplements are under researched, over claimed, over used etc., but that doesn't justify what this guy is doing.

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                    #10
                    For anyone not curious enough to check the source for herself, the following is at the end of the sales promo - er, "article" appearing on a shopping page -

                    "The author, Malcolm Green, is Technical Director of EquiFeast. EquiFeast owns patents for the use of chelated calcium in horses and believes it is a brain enhancing technology that enables horses to be calm and rational. As a result of its own field trials and feedback from customers it has reformulated its products to use less magnesium and tailors feeds/supplements/diets to the needs of individual horses and riders through a process of close customer support."

                    Credit at least for admitting the conflict.

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                      #11
                      ....calcium......calm and rational..... = alfalfa.


                      LMAO.

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Brian View Post
                        So where's the research from the other supplement companies selling Mg as a calming supplement? Or from any other supplement company COTH'ers mention as being effective? IMO, most supplements are under researched (at best), over claimed, over used, and in general...a waste of money.

                        Rather than having a total disregard for the article, maybe you should take time to watch the video link. I admit for 22 minutes, some of it is painful to listen to, however he does bring up some interesting points. Valid or not, I can't say other than maybe more research needs to be done.

                        It appears that what he is selling is organic Ca, which may help in the utilization of Mg.

                        Even assuming for the sake of argument that magnesium can cause calming/problems in competition horses and that all the scientific leaps (sans evidence) that he makes in that "article" are true...

                        HE DOESN'T KNOW IF ANY OF THE HORSES INVOLVED IN EVENTING ACCIDENTS WERE SUPPLEMENTED WITH MAGNESIUM

                        So the link between any evils of magnesium and eventing deaths goes beyond "unscientified" to purely speculative.
                        ~Veronica
                        "The Son Dee Times" "Sustained" "Somerset" "Franklin Square"
                        http://photobucket.com/albums/y192/vxf111/

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by vxf111 View Post
                          HE DOESN'T KNOW IF ANY OF THE HORSES INVOLVED IN EVENTING ACCIDENTS WERE SUPPLEMENTED WITH MAGNESIUM.
                          That of course is rather critical to know. I'd ask the question, though.

                          Why do people supplement with magnesium? Do they supplement specifically with it? Or is Mg part of multiple other supplements?

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Brian View Post
                            So where's the research from the other supplement companies selling Mg as a calming supplement? Or from any other supplement company COTH'ers mention as being effective? IMO, most supplements are under researched (at best), over claimed, over used, and in general...a waste of money.

                            Rather than having a total disregard for the article, maybe you should take time to watch the video link. I admit for 22 minutes, some of it is painful to listen to, however he does bring up some interesting points. Valid or not, I can't say other than maybe more research needs to be done.

                            It appears that what he is selling is organic Ca, which may help in the utilization of Mg.
                            Did you know that "organic" Ca is an AWESOME explosive?! I use it regularly in my work.

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                              #15
                              I'm pretty sure you pee out extra magnesium.
                              "Cynicism is a sorry kind of wisdom" Barack Obama

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                                #16
                                This guy is much more worth listening to:
                                https://www.facebook.com/davidmarlin...c_location=ufi


                                A notice from ERA
                                The committee of Eventing Riders Association International has formally requested the owner of Equifeast to retract the published article.
                                ERA (Int) has also requested a public apology be made by the representatives of Equifeast to the families indirectly referenced in the article.
                                A complaint has been lodged by ERA (Int) with British Eventing, British Equestrian Trade Association and the FEI.
                                ERA (Int) will also make a formal application to both Trading Standards UK & the Advertising Standards Authority.

                                Bruce Haskell
                                President of ERA International
                                The only place where success comes before work is in the dictionary.

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                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by Brian View Post
                                  So where's the research from the other supplement companies selling Mg as a calming supplement? Or from any other supplement company COTH'ers mention as being effective? IMO, most supplements are under researched (at best), over claimed, over used, and in general...a waste of money.

                                  Rather than having a total disregard for the article, maybe you should take time to watch the video link. I admit for 22 minutes, some of it is painful to listen to, however he does bring up some interesting points. Valid or not, I can't say other than maybe more research needs to be done.

                                  It appears that what he is selling is organic Ca, which may help in the utilization of Mg.
                                  That's because research doesn't sell supplements-marketing and anecdotes do. How many times on here does do someone believe a product work when there is evidence to show it is only effective used as directed (ie. adequan and monthly injections).

                                  The author fails to note in his reference to the Hintz and Schryver while increased Mg in the diet leads to (small) increases in plasma levels, it also leads to increased fecal and urinary excretion which is typical when we overfeed minerals. The increases they reported were small-less than 1mg/100ml of blood. I cant find Dodd's paper to look at the quality of her work but my guess is small numbers or weak statistics based on where it was published.

                                  Abductable science is the same crap that the "researcher" at MIT uses to correlate increases in every disease with increased round up use. Correlation is not causation and not real science.
                                  ************************
                                  "I can't help but wonder,what would Jimmy Buffett do?"

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                                    #18
                                    Not the first time this UK Company has been brought in the ASA limelight for false/misleading advertising

                                    https://www.asa.org.uk/Rulings/Adjud...x#.Vzs6_SL2Z9O

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                                      #19
                                      Regardless of the effects that magnesium may or may not have, and the research that other companies may or may not have done on their supplements, this article is disgusting.

                                      At the end of the article, there is a Declaration of Intent that the author of the article is also the owner of the company Equifeast who create a supplement that contains less magnesium than other products. The article itself is hosted by Equifeast. If you read between the lines, this is an advertisement for Equifeast. This 'author' is the worst type of scum, in my opinion, trying to make money off tragedies.

                                      Shame on him for not only trying to take advantage of these tragedies to sell more product but also trying to manipulate the general public into believing something that has no real scientific basis (no peer reviewed articles cited, the 'author' even used some bizarre Facebook study) by making it sound like research backs his claim up.

                                      John Oliver has an episode of Last Week Tonight that touches on this subject, it's worth a watch.

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                                        #20
                                        If you just urinated the excess magnesium out, why would you have serious side effects from it? Obviously you don't excrete all of it.

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