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    Allison Springer and Arthur

    I just watched the Rolex coverage and was disappointed at how they called Arthur's run out. I know they didn't have a clear view of what happened, so I thought I would post the photo sequence that I took. He clearly slipped in the slick mud and made a tremendous effort to jump the ditch, nearly unseating Allison, who made a big recovery to stay on. Unfortunately, they did not recover in time for the next fence.

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    #2
    Are you suggesting it should not have been scored as a run-out? It may have been unlucky to get the late draw, but IDK how the officials would have justified such a call.

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      #3
      I think she is just making the point that all the recent criticism of Arthur because of this run-out is not justified.

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        #4
        Originally posted by kcmel View Post
        I think she is just making the point that all the recent criticism of Arthur because of this run-out is not justified.
        Exactly. This was not a dirty run-out as the commentators suggested on the televised special. He had a legit reason for the run out. Yes, it should have been scored as such, but I wonder, had he not been the last to go with the footing on that slope so crappy, perhaps he would not have had a run-out. It was just very unfortunate for them.
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          #5
          It was an impressive skid mark he left in the mud. That was one of the first obstacles I looked at when XC ended and spectators were allowed to cross the ropes. I wondered the same thing: what would the outcome have been if they hadn't been last to start.

          I'm sure she probably wondered the same thing.
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            #6
            You can always say "if only." Looking at those photos (great sequence, by the way), I'm more struck by the problems starting well before he slips: he lands very shallow from the hanging log and Allison is already pumping her elbows trying to make up the distance to the ditch. Agree it looks like he slid at the ditch, but he's also not in the right balance or at the right distance. That makes the two stride on the out very hard to cover. A different horse might have gotten catty and patted the ground to get out, particularly if it was in a different line to the skinny, but It's not a particularly surprising run out.

            Regardless, when you look at their record, there's an unfortunate pattern of fairly extreme inconsistency XC which I think is the source of a lot of the general view. Yes, he's a stunning horse and yes he can win the dressage and yes ridiculously athletic. But man, he (or they) have racked up an awful lot of 20s at big events.

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              Originally posted by GotSpots View Post
              You can always say "if only." Looking at those photos (great sequence, by the way), I'm more struck by the problems starting well before he slips: he lands very shallow from the hanging log and Allison is already pumping her elbows trying to make up the distance to the ditch. Agree it looks like he slid at the ditch, but he's also not in the right balance or at the right distance. That makes the two stride on the out very hard to cover. A different horse might have gotten catty and patted the ground to get out, particularly if it was in a different line to the skinny, but It's not a particularly surprising run out.

              Regardless, when you look at their record, there's an unfortunate pattern of fairly extreme inconsistency XC which I think is the source of a lot of the general view. Yes, he's a stunning horse and yes he can win the dressage and yes ridiculously athletic. But man, he (or they) have racked up an awful lot of 20s at big events.

              Huge Arthur fan here, but to me, he's already staring in the ditch before he lands shallow, and continues to stare in the ditch as they skid towards it (it makes you want to put a sign in the ditch "Dear Arthur, nothing to see here-signed the Ditch Gremlins". Without the mud, they may get away with it. A less ditchy horse might have coped with the mud slide better. But the mud ruined any shot for them.
              One thing I've always appreciated about Allison is that she never blames him. She accepts that she's chosen to push onward with her quirky horse and that it's on her to take his quirks into account when she makes choices on course. The year they finished second, she gave up her lead on xc to WFP by taking the long route at a ditch (or angled brushes?) late on course. That made me a huge fan of hers.

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                Originally posted by NCRider View Post
                Huge Arthur fan here, but to me, he's already staring in the ditch before he lands shallow, and continues to stare in the ditch as they skid towards it (it makes you want to put a sign in the ditch "Dear Arthur, nothing to see here-signed the Ditch Gremlins". Without the mud, they may get away with it. A less ditchy horse might have coped with the mud slide better. But the mud ruined any shot for them.
                One thing I've always appreciated about Allison is that she never blames him. She accepts that she's chosen to push onward with her quirky horse and that it's on her to take his quirks into account when she makes choices on course. The year they finished second, she gave up her lead on xc to WFP by taking the long route at a ditch (or angled brushes?) late on course. That made me a huge fan of hers.
                I agree completely with your assessment. These pics spin a different light on the run out for me. It looks like he had ditch zombies on the brain. That girl can ride though! (Oh, is it demeaning for me to call Allison a girl in this context? )

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                  #9
                  That is a shame because it does seem that it was dicussed as though Arthur let her down - yet again as it is always said - etc etc etc. No acknowledgement of a significant slip.

                  What a huge shame that they had the slip, as well.
                  Last edited by Rallycairn; May. 11, 2016, 08:41 AM.
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Gestalt View Post
                    I agree completely with your assessment. These pics spin a different light on the run out for me. It looks like he had ditch zombies on the brain. That girl can ride though! (Oh, is it demeaning for me to call Allison a girl in this context? )
                    I say.... You go girl ;-)
                    Always be yourself. Unless you can be a unicorn. Then ALWAYS be a unicorn.

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                      #11
                      Can someone link to the specific photo please. The link goes to the entire album right now.

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                        #12
                        I was at Rolex and standing near the fence where they stopped. Looked to me like the horse made an executive decision when he slipped. Can't say I blame him. Footing had really deteriorated by then.

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                          #13
                          Well you know, from the horse's perspective this must all seem rather silly and pointless. That they even let us on their backs much less do things that a 4* course requires is truly remarkable. I have to wonder if they are thinking things like "We're going to do what? It's raining, muddy and cold. I don't think so!"

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                            #14
                            With a lost stirrup to boot! Still so gutted for Allison and Arthur, it would've been a tremendous victory to complete that course fault free. Still a huge fan!

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Polydor View Post
                              Can someone link to the specific photo please. The link goes to the entire album right now.

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                                #16
                                Good for Allison for even trying that last jump with one stirrup.
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                                  #17
                                  Bless you!! Love AS and Arthur! Was rooting for them from the beginning. She admits he is a difficult horse to ride.
                                  "Punch him in the wiener. Then leave." AffirmedHope

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                                    #18
                                    I don't have a comment on that fence, but he was not "with her" the entire time. He was looking for a way out, it seemed to me???

                                    Anyways, I "know" Allison as far as clinics, she is wonderful and such a great horsewoman.

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                                      #19
                                      I was watching from head on and it seemed to be he put his front feet in the ditch. Maybe in the split second between your shots.
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                                        #20
                                        I was watching that combination from the side and saw it happen. Arthur didn't have enough impulsion going into the first fence. He struggled over the ditch and in my opinion wisely decided he didn't have what it took to make it over the final jump there. The horse just didn't have enough gas in the tank at that moment. Really he looked tired to me. Maybe it was going last, but I watched the last several horses go through and you could see he came in at it weakly.
                                        It wasn't a dirty run out at all if that's what the commentators are suggesting. He couldn't have made it over from where he ended up.

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