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  • OTTB Pedigree Gurus Needed!

    So I am fostering an OTTB. His name is Shedroe Warrior. Here is a link to his pedigree: http://www.pedigreequery.com/shedroe+warrior The picture on his pedigree page is one I took in mid-November -- a few days after I brought him home from the track. At the time, he was very untrusting and just sore all over. He's pretty much been turned out for the last 2.5 months (he's in a stall at night, but out to pasture during the day).

    Today, I put him on the lunge line to see how he was looking (soundness wise). I figured if he's sound, his best market - based on his stocky, post-legged build - is probably going to be for trail riders or the QH gaming folks. However, I was taken aback by a very lovely trot! It has suspension, he knows how to sit and use his hocks, etc. I really just couldn't believe it!

    So TB pedigree gurus...talk to me of his bloodlines. Tell me where this QH looking OTTB is getting this fabulous movement from. Because to be honest, I'm thinking now that he should be marketed as a sport horse. And in the future, I'd like to know what to look for in bloodlines. He does have Caro, but he's way back there.

    Thanks!
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    I'm far from a guru, but I had a horse whose damsire was Al Hattab also with Bold Ruler on his dam's side. He had classic big-boned TB good looks and he was an amazing athlete but crazy as a loon (way too much Native Dancer).
    The aids are the legs, the hands, the weight of the rider, the whip, the caress, the voice and the use of extraneous circumstances. ~ General Decarpentry
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    • #3
      Probably Al Hattab: The Axe/Mahmoud have produced some nice dressagey movers. The super moving stallion I lost was line bred Mahmoud and I have a broodmare that scored very well at her WB inspection and she is a granddaughter of The Axe.
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        #4
        Originally posted by easyrider View Post
        He had classic big-boned TB good looks and he was an amazing athlete but crazy as a loon (way too much Native Dancer).
        Too funny! Roman's first week at my barn, his nick-name was pyscho-chestnut pony. Thankfully, he has figured out that life at my place is pretty darned good and there is nothing to worry about. He is smart as a whip though. He learns things super fast and sizes his handlers up in about 5 seconds. But, temperament wise, he is quite a sweetie. I'm excited to get him going under saddle.

        More thoughts are welcome!
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        • #5
          Originally posted by easyrider View Post
          but crazy as a loon (way too much Native Dancer).
          Huh? I have a horse with Native Dancer on the top and bottom, who looks exactly like ND, and he's the horse of a lifetime. I hunt him in front and he's the safest most athletic horse I've ever ridden.

          Genetics (eg bloodlines) may provide a general picture of a horse, but are way too mercurial to be a guideline. It's worth looking at every horse as a unique individual. My general guiding rule is "look at thoroughbreds, they'll probably be athletic."

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          • #6
            "He is smart as a whip though. He learns things super fast and sizes his handlers up in about 5 seconds."
            and

            "I had a horse whose damsire was Al Hattab also with Bold Ruler on his dam's side. He had classic big-boned TB good looks and he was an amazing athlete but crazy as a loon (way too much Native Dancer)."

            that sounds more like a Bold Ruler trait.....and FWIW it is QUITE dominant in the BR breds...even generations down the pike! A number of the Nasrullah lines are like that....probably BR was best known for it though as he was one of Nasrullahs most used sons at stud. BRs are generally not actually crazy but being often hot, opinionated and quirky it does make them "not easy".
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              Originally posted by camohn View Post
              that sounds more like a Bold Ruler trait.....and FWIW it is QUITE dominant in the BR breds...even generations down the pike! A number of the Nasrullah lines are like that....probably BR was best known for it though as he was one of Nasrullahs most used sons at stud. BRs are generally not actually crazy but being often hot, opinionated and quirky it does make them "not easy".
              That explains my mare then. She has BR back there. She's super smart and what a personality!! OMG - SUPER opiniated. She's the epitome of the "ask a mare" phrase. But that being said, when you do ask her politely and treat her fairly, she gives 100% every time. I'd take a barn full of horses just like her! She's definitely not a beginner's horse.

              http://www.pedigreequery.com/jewel+in+the+hills

              That also makes sense regarding Roman because he doesn't have any Native Dancer. I also have another foster gelding with Raise A Native / Native Dancer and he is just as sweet as he could possibly be. Not a conniving bone in his body!
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              • #8
                I really like this pedigree.

                Housebuster was a champion sprinter, which might explain the QH build, and I can't remember where I saw it, but Santa Tina is a very good tail female line in a pedigree. Everything about this guy screams "good sport horse candidate."

                Chieftain was the sire of Miss Chieftain, who was the dam of Shaab, a TB who is reponsible for Shaabak, Lucy Weigsma's (sp) top class event horse. Shaab has a number of other world class event horses to his credit. Chieftain is BR and so is Cornish Prince; To Market was the sire of Bold Bidder's dam, so there might be some good stuff that ended up in this horse from that cross. Those horses are in the "engine room" of the pedigree, where linebreeding works best.
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                • #9
                  I have another horse with BR in the same place on his dam's side, who also has Danzig as his grandsire, just like my old loony toon. Couldn't be sweeter. But no heavy (4x4) Native Dancer linebreeding. I have a few friends who think Native Dancer linebreeding is a problem, but maybe it's all just random, who knows?
                  The aids are the legs, the hands, the weight of the rider, the whip, the caress, the voice and the use of extraneous circumstances. ~ General Decarpentry
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                    #10
                    I plan to take my video camera to the barn with me today to get some shots of him moving. He looks pretty pathetic right now. He didn't come down horribly bad from the track, but he has been turned out without a blanket so he's super shaggy and pretty out of shape. He had been turned out by the trainer before I got him, so the topline is fairly non-existent at this point. But the movement is still there and that is what I like. I think he has a LOT of potential. It will just be a matter of finding the right home for him.

                    Feedback is still welcome! Thanks for what you've all shared so far.
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                    • #11
                      I find the pedigree almost as interesting for what it doesn't have! No Northern Dancer, no Raise a Native, no Native Dancer, no Mr. P.

                      I find the To Market at least as interesting as the Caro. Then if you go back a little there is dose after dose of everything to like in a sporthorse. War Relic 2x, Wild Risk, Turn-to, Precipitation, Eight Thirty, Fair Trial, and Big Game. Along with the boys I'm surprise Viney didn't mention her favorite female line of Lavendula. I know those things go back a bit so take it with a grain of salt, but I was surprise how many of those little jewels kept showing up.

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                      • #12
                        ottb breeding

                        i just have to chime in as i have a br ottb. he's a fourth line male side descendant. bobbie looks just like br and acts like him too. those who have brs know the importance of romancing the horse. they are a real soft touch, you just can't boss them. if you do, watch out : ) they are a gorgeous horse with a solid build, very athletic and strong both in body and mind. i would get another br in a heart beat. but they have a very strong personality and not everyone wants or needs that in a horse : )

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by ottb dressage View Post
                          but they have a very strong personality and not everyone wants or needs that in a horse : )
                          Very true! Because Roman is owned by FoF, we will make sure that his home is a very good fit. We are more concerned about finding the right owner for him than unloading him on the first interested party.
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                            FWIW, Santa Tina is FF 5-e, which is Bonne Cause's FF. Athough the common ancestress seems to be Belvoirina back in 1813. Still, the MtDNA is the same.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by vineyridge View Post
                              FWIW, Santa Tina is FF 5-e, which is Bonne Cause's FF. Athough the common ancestress seems to be Belvoirina back in 1813. Still, the MtDNA is the same.
                              Viney, where does one go to learn more about female families lines and how they might relate to sport horse performance?

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                                #16
                                Originally posted by vineyridge View Post
                                FWIW, Santa Tina is FF 5-e, which is Bonne Cause's FF. Athough the common ancestress seems to be Belvoirina back in 1813. Still, the MtDNA is the same.
                                Could you translate this for me? I'm not at all sure what you're talking about!
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                                • #17
                                  Vineyridge, every time I think I'm starting to understand bloodlines, you come up with something new (to me, anyway). Mitochondrial DNA I get. FF 5-e I don't.

                                  Thank you for continuing to challenge this old gray head.
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                                  • #18
                                    it's great that you are looking at a specific type of home for him. i know before i bought bobbie that i was told he needed a "special" person. everyone i talk to about the br line always comments on their strong personalities. some can handle it and some can't. your guy looks to have some great old bloodlines in there. i bet he could do anything he put his mind to. as for build bobbie has been accused of being an appendix qh or a warmblood : ) so br can put a big build on a horse along with a big personality. i've heard great things about halo lines, and there's a couple of other names i know from hearing about that are good solid old blood lines, princequillo is also very highly regarded as is dr fager. he's got some great lines back in the fourth and fifth generation that are really interesting. if he was my horse, i'd be doing some research. good luck. i bet you have a load of fun with this guy : ) i'd love to see some pics of him.

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                                    • #19
                                      attractive bloodlines

                                      You've got Halo, you've got the whole Blushing Groom bloodline which is producing very athletic horses, Mahmoud for jumping, To Market known for nice hunters, Herbager (sire of Grey Dawn II) known for jumpers, Princequillo known for nice movement, Dr. Fager is one of the thoroughbreds of the century...I don't know what Shedrow's sire did but he earned $360,000 plus. The Europeans use racing success in choosing the thoroughbred bloodlines to introduce into warmblood breeding...

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                                        #20
                                        These are both from mid November, a couple days after I got him home from the track. He looks bigger than he is. I sticked him and he's only 15.1h.

                                        Roman - Conformation

                                        Roman - Head Shot
                                        Last edited by horsepix76; Feb. 18, 2009, 05:42 PM.
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