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  • #41
    I have made that very same mistake -- not on the world stage, but yes, did the dreaded circle inside the start flags. Will, never, ever make that mistake again.... and I bet neither will Bettina.


    • #42
      The results are back to "unofficial!"
      model citizen, zero discipline


      • #43
        Britain takes equestrian silver
        By Erik Kirschbaum

        ATHENS (Reuters) - Germany have been dramatically stripped of the team equestrian three-day event Olympic gold medal.

        France, silver medallists at the end of the final show jumping leg of the competition, are now the winners, followed by Britain and the U.S., officials said.

        But Germany lodged a swift protest after being dropped to fourth when Bettina Hoy was penalised 12 points over her start.

        Officials had viewed video evidence at the request of the French team before making their decision.

        Initially, Hoy was marked as having completed the course within the 90-second time limit and without any penalty points.

        But after the review of her ride the German was given a post-competition 12-point penalty.

        It was ruled by the technical delegate she had crossed the starting line for a final warm-up, without the time clock starting, before circling again across the start with a full head of steam when the clock was started.

        The Germans had originally finished on 133.80 penalty points after the three rounds of competition, based on provisional results. France were on 140.40 with Britain on 143.00.

        For Germany it had been only the second gold medal of a so-far disappointing Olympics and their first gold in team eventing since West Germany won top honours at the 1988 Olympics. Germany also won gold in 1936.

        Australia, who had won the last three gold medals and were considered among the favourites, finished sixth.

        Going into Wednesday´s show jumping, Germany had been in lying in second position, 6.20 points behind France after the first two legs --dressage and cross country.


        • #44
          It says "official" and "final" when I check it.

          They better get this straightend out quick. Both the NBC site and the Athens site show Bettina with 14 time penalties, and award the medals Fr-GB-USA, with Germany in 4th.

          They've already started the individual jumping round. The NBC site shows the results from the first (26 place) rider.
          "I don't want to sound like a broken record here, but why is it that a woman will forgive homicidal behavior in a horse, yet be highly critical of a man for leaving the toilet seat up?" Dave Barry


          • #45
            <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Madison:

            This article says Bettina Hoy was penalized 12 points for crossing the start line twice. Unbelievable. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

            This article also says "America's last rider Julie Richards then needed to go clear to ensure bronze but incurred a penalty at the very last fence." Ummm.... that would be Kim.
            The hardest to learn was the least complicated.


            • #46
              Well, I would be extremely sad if this is the case, and feel horrible for Bettina, plus it always leaves a bad taste in your mouth to win/place on a technicality.

              However, IF she truly did go through the start flags twice, then unfortunately those are the rules and I hope the decision is not reversed due to the protest, because you really can't start bending the rules. It's a horrible place for it to happen, but I think almost every rider has been eliminated or penalized for some technicality at some point or another.

              Still, really awful to happen here.


              • #47
                The BBC article says that the US needed a clear round from anchor rider Julie Burns to clinch the bronze, but that she "faulted" at the last fence. The official results say she went clean in SJ. WTF??? This is just more drama than I can stand...


                • #48
                  This SNAFU should make NBC primetime tonight. Sheesh!


                  • #49
                    Ooops, sorry Julie...that's Julie RICHARDS!


                    • #50
                      Bummer for Hoy, but, make sure your i's are dotted and t's crossed at this level. Not the first medal lost to a silly slip up, and won't be the last. Who caught it? The judge? Another team?
                      The witchy witch witch of south central NC.


                      • #51
                        <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Kahuna:
                        Officials had viewed video evidence at the request of the French team before making their decision. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                        Just pointing out the obvious here, but this is certain to really help bridge the "friendship" between Germany and France


                        • #52
                          Does anyone know, have they completely rebuilt the show jumping course for the individuals, or is it some modification of the same course?


                          • #53
                            3-dazey, see my above post. I think the BBC mixed up Kim and Julie. Kim had the last rail down, Julie was clean.
                            The hardest to learn was the least complicated.


                            • #54
                              <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Just pointing out the obvious here, but this is certain to really help bridge the "friendship" between Germany and France <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
                              Thank GOD it's not between the US and France...
                              The witchy witch witch of south central NC.


                              • #55
                                I'll bet that Ingrid Klimke is second guessing her decision to withdraw...
                                "Against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain" ~Friedrich Schiller


                                • #56
                                  Wow! I watched the SJ this morning on Bravo, didn't see anything wrong with B. Hoy's beautiful round, was very disappointed for Nicolas and Kim...and now this!!
                                  It is unfortunate for Bettina. But with the video available, there is no appeal possible, if she's made a mistake, it's there for everyone to see. Name of the game, and I don't see how this would change the French-German (very friendly, thank you very much!) relationship.
                                  Ottbs - The finish line is only the beginning!


                                  • #57
                                    How is it that Bettina didn't start the official clock when she crossed through the timers the first time?

                                    I do not ride jumpers, but it seems to be that this entire things could and should have been avoided if, as soon as the 45 second bell is rung, the timer beam is activated so that whenever the horse breaks the beam, the clock is automatically started.

                                    Why is this not done? It seems to be such a no brainer.

                                    If either 12 or 14 seconds were added to her time (meaning that she crossed the starting line either 12 or 14 seconds before she thought she did), then someone must have manually turned on the beam between when she went through the starting line the first time and when she actually broke the beam, starting the offical clock.

                                    Since the difference between bronze and 4th was .2 points, and no official time was available, WHO figured out just EXACTLY when her horse went through the timers the first time?

                                    There are many unanswered questions here...
                                    "He lives in a cocoon of solipsism"

                                    Charles Krauthammer speaking about Trump


                                    • #58
                                      As I recall, the US only won the bronze team medal at the Sydney Olympics because New Zealand had no team after a horse was spun at the vet check. Lucky again! Bizarrely enough, nbcolympics.com is listing the US as bronze, with an article "Germany takes team title, U.S. falls to fourth when Severson falters."
                                      Who rides the tiger cannot dismount


                                      • #59
                                        I just checked the Athens2004 website again and they are now showing that Germany won team gold, USA fourth. An hour ago they had Germany out of the medals, France gold, UK Silver and USA bronze. Does anyone know the official team results?


                                        • #60
                                          Whats going on?? I just got back from barn chores and started reading this thread...now the results at NBC and the Olympic site are showing that Germany DID take the gold. Anybody know anything?