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    Originally posted by Highflyer View Post
    At this point I think it's unrealistic to expect to leave your house and not risk being exposed to it.
    And we know a friends family memory who literally never left and was exposed to it through her Delivered groceries
    "Courage is not the absence of fear but rather the judgment that something is more important than fear. The brave may not live forever but the cautious do not live at all." ~2001 The Princess Diaries

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      Originally posted by RAyers View Post

      If a rider were to be seriously injured on course and insufficient hospital access is available, the event is on the hook for having a competition without adequate safety measures in place. This obviously can flow down to even the course designer and builder for the specific fence. It can flow upward that if there is insufficient hospital access and the rider develops further complications/dies, the event was derelict in assuring that safety was followed in ensuring sufficient access.

      Thus, the liability would be that if a rider is injured while competing resulting in a trip to a facility that may not have sufficient room for ICU patients, leading to exposure of the rider to SARS-CoV-2 virus, the primary cause of liability exposure for the event is running without sufficient safety coordination in place. It is a pretty straightforward legal argument.

      While folks like to say that personal responsibility is necessary, in this case we don’t go to a horse trial expecting to get exposed to SARS-CoV-2. We do have an expectation of getting hurt though. Thus, this is why the new liability releases exist. However, releases are really only worth the paper upon which they are written.
      Assuming what you assert is true, why would anyone have anything to do with the business of Eventing?

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        Originally posted by frugalannie View Post
        But Reed, the ICU bed situation is so fluid in the majority of hospitals currently in most of the country that I don't know how an event can ensure that there will be ICU beds available in a non-Covid room/ ward/ floor whatever. Same for the Emergency Dept.. I don't know how the liability would flow, but say the event checked the hospital on Friday then again on the morning of XC day and there were such beds available. There's no saying that would be the case at 3pm when there's a rider fall requiring hospitalization.

        The uncertainty though is one reason some events have cancelled. The organizers are looking at these things and it’s part of their planning now. And some are cancelling well in advance because they can’t afford to incur the costs of setting up and then being cancelled. But yes....making sure the hospitals have capacity is definitely a factor and if the numbers are going up in an area....even if the event doesn’t choose to shut, the local government may shut them down. I wouldn’t get too bogged down in the liability issue....this is more of a real practical issue. But if you go online and look at the Safety Coordinator Manual for events....making sure there is hospital capacity is in there. It is actual duty no 1 (assessing the availability of local resources, including hospitals and the EMS system and using them to plan medical coverage). In today’s pandemic....this would be assessing if the hospitals are at capacity and could be reason to say we can’t hold the event safely.

        ** Tact is the ability to tell someone to go to hell in such a way that they look forward to the trip. ~Winston Churchill? **

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          Originally posted by groom View Post

          Assuming what you assert is true, why would anyone have anything to do with the business of Eventing?
          In the US we are toeing the line of liability. It will take one lawsuit and the sport will be in serous trouble. At this point past lawsuits were poorly considered and organized. What stops most suits is cost versus return. In many cases at the level of USEA and organizers there is insufficient compensation compared to the cost of litigation.

          And there is a reason why events are closing down. It is no longer worth it.

          Exactly BNFE. Given where I work we have weekly updates on Covid ICU occupation. I have used this to aid the local horse trial Safety Coordinator (sometimes me) in advising the organizer. Luckily we have 3 level 1 trauma centers and a medical school.

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            Originally posted by RAyers View Post

            What stops most suits is cost versus return.
            I was interviewing for a coursebuilding job several years ago with one of the millionaire event owners. He asked what kind of liability insurance I carry, and I answered "Poverty". But it is true, and he knew it all too well. The surest way to avoid lawsuits is to have nothing to steal. The millionaire laughed, and tried to hire me, but I ultimately declined. It would have meant breaking ties with one of my LL working-class events, and I know they are 10x as dependable as millionaires. And a lot more fun to be around. Hey, 2020 - looks like a lot more people are adopting my economic strategy!

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              Originally posted by groom View Post

              I was interviewing for a coursebuilding job several years ago with one of the millionaire event owners. He asked what kind of liability insurance I carry, and I answered "Poverty". But it is true, and he knew it all too well. The surest way to avoid lawsuits is to have nothing to steal. The millionaire laughed, and tried to hire me, but I ultimately declined. It would have meant breaking ties with one of my LL working-class events, and I know they are 10x as dependable as millionaires. And a lot more fun to be around. Hey, 2020 - looks like a lot more people are adopting my economic strategy!
              I know I am. You are spot on. Sadly that is why I said what I said. Even the USEA doesn’t have that much.

              In my experience when somebody approaches me with a product liability case (I work as a consulting expert), when I tell them how much it will really cost for me to conduct a thorough investigation, really examine all of the physical evidence, review all the records and scour the scientific and engineering literature, many times they quit when they realize how much they will get versus what they need to spend to get that. And it may takes months to years.

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                Originally posted by Xctrygirl View Post

                And we know a friends family memory who literally never left and was exposed to it through her Delivered groceries
                Wow, that's awful! Particularly since I'm sure this person was elderly or compromised, since she was sheltering in her home. From what I understand, though, surface contamination isn't really much of a factor in spreading. Was it through an extended verbal interaction with the delivery person? Are they sure it was through groceries and not through someone else in the home?

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