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  • Bitting on Pavorotti?

    Has anyone ever seen a bit like this before?

    http://www.photosbybailini.com/g2/v/...-1050.jpg.html

    http://www.photosbybailini.com/g2/v/...-1052.jpg.html

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    Holy Moly, That is some bizarre looking thing. I cannot tell, but does it even have a noseband? I am clueless.
    It looks a little severe, And the curb seems higher up than most. I would be curious as well to know what it is and it's purpose.

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    • #3
      You could probably stop a train with that thing!
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      • #4
        I was a WS for a rider in Europe at one point who rode XC in a double bridle except she had a gag bit where the bradoon should have been.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by kookicat View Post
          You could probably stop a train with that thing!
          Kind of what I was thinking!

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          • #6
            Cracks me up. Every clinic I go to someone always asks about changing their XC bit. Followed on cue by an eye-rolling, mini-lecture on "it's NOT the bit!"
            And then I see the bits on some of these UL horses and I go "hmmmmm....."
            If it's not the bit, then why..........

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Sannois View Post
              Kind of what I was thinking!
              It's interesting that his mouth is open in a lot of those pics. Small sample, I know, but still makes me wonder.

              Does anyone know what it is?
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              • #8
                Originally posted by riderboy View Post
                Cracks me up. Every clinic I go to someone always asks about changing their XC bit. Followed on cue by an eye-rolling, mini-lecture on "it's NOT the bit!"
                And then I see the bits on some of these UL horses and I go "hmmmmm....."
                If it's not the bit, then why..........
                Obviously the upper level riders need to spend more time on flatwork.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by enjoytheride View Post
                  Obviously the upper level riders need to spend more time on flatwork.
                  I know I sure do! Seriously, that's a lot of metal in that horse's mouth, gotta be very careful around any form of electricity.

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                  • #10
                    I guess in my opinion, it looks like a lot, but if anyone else wants to take the horse around in a loose ring french link snaffle good luck to ya!

                    It looks like it's made like that to attach it to a curb chain to give leverage under the jaw but in a wierd way that isn't like a regular pelham or curb bit and chain.

                    http://www.photosbybailini.com/g2/v/...-1052.jpg.html
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                    • #11
                      This may explain part of the bitting issue - he is a very strong horse from what I understand.

                      http://www.chronofhorse.com/article/...rsey-fresh-cci

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Bravestrom View Post
                        This may explain part of the bitting issue - he is a very strong horse from what I understand.

                        http://www.chronofhorse.com/article/...rsey-fresh-cci
                        Ahh, Well he does look like he is very Game in that Jersey Fresh photo.
                        Like, Yeah, Try and stop me, I am on a mission.

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                        • #13
                          Thanks for the link to that article. It provides a good perspective. Still would like to know more about this bit though. I have never seen one like it!

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                          • #14
                            I think I just saw one like it while cruising the net. It's a very odd gag.
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                            • #15
                              I can't see the photos on my phone, but I've seen her ride in this bit in the past:

                              http://www.mikmar.com/bit-pages/combo-bit.html

                              It's probably not the one in question since it was a pretty popular bit just a few years ago, but I thought I'd give it a try

                              Weird story about her previous elimination. Remember some of those really famous old event horses who practically drug their riders around cross country? Those thinking horses seemed like the safest ones in the sport except occasionally being too athletic for riders to stay on!

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                              • #16
                                If you look at it the mechanics are essentially a pelham with no snaffle rein. The curb chain is set higher under the jaw. You could probably get a similar effect with a hackamore combo bit without the noseband piece.

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                                • #17
                                  Originally posted by flyracing View Post
                                  Weird story about her previous elimination. Remember some of those really famous old event horses who practically drug their riders around cross country? Those thinking horses seemed like the safest ones in the sport except occasionally being too athletic for riders to stay on!
                                  Do you remember Ginny Leng riding Murphy Himself? There's a reason he went to Ian Stark. She was just not big/strong enough to control him.

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                                  • #18
                                    It's definitely not the mikmar that was linked to above. I saw the bit in warmup at Jersey Fresh and it was definitely something I've never seen before!
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                                    • #19
                                      That horse looks like a frieght train xc...and she isn't a big person. Isn't this the horse that got her a DR for going too fast/looking out of control in the past?

                                      She's a nice rider....and that is a big strong horse...stronger than most xc. She can use what ever works IMO.

                                      And while DRESSAGE is typically the right answer.....some horses, not matter how well they go doing dressage, are really really really strong xc. And no amout of flat work installs a half halt that works on them.

                                      Personally...I don't want to ride a horse like that, but do know others who don't mind (if they have the talent).

                                      ETA: Ah, I see I did remember right. Really strong horse.
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                                      • #20
                                        Originally posted by bornfreenowexpensive View Post
                                        That horse looks like a frieght train xc...and she isn't a big person. Isn't this the horse that got her a DR for going too fast/looking out of control in the past?

                                        She's a nice rider....and that is a big strong horse...stronger than most xc. She can use what ever works IMO.

                                        And while DRESSAGE is typically the right answer.....some horses, not matter how well they go doing dressage, are really really really strong xc. And no amout of flat work installs a half halt that works on them.

                                        Personally...I don't want to ride a horse like that, but do know others who don't mind (if they have the talent).

                                        ETA: Ah, I see I did remember right. Really strong horse.
                                        I was there at Jersey Fresh for the ride that got her the yellow card and I said at the time that I thought the GJ made a judgment based on her size and gender that they wouldn't have made for a larger male rider based on the same set of circumstances. They weren't the only pair that had some hairy fences because the horse was being too strong.

                                        Since she's knows she's not going to be given the benefit of the doubt and she knows she has a horse that can get strong on xc, then I can't blame her for bitting up. He does a nice dressage test so that's not the issue.

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