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  • Canter... Cutie??

    I am not exactly in the market for a young horse (although theoretically I should be), I am an avid window shopper. I found this guy on CANTER CA. Turns out hes 5 minutes down the road from a new job I am starting.

    http://www.canterusa.org/index.php?o...ngs&Itemid=278

    http://www.pedigreequery.com/maderia2

    Hes kind of fugly but there is something about him that I really like. He reminds me a lot of my upper level mare.

    Am I crazy?? I am hoping someone sees what I see and snatches him up... Or else I might have to take him :/

  • #2
    needs a lot of foundation work
    project horse for someone looking to take the time with him.
    Experienced rider is recommended.
    Read between the lines, watch the videos, this guy needs a committed, educated home - if that's you, go see him

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    • #3
      Originally posted by alto View Post
      Read between the lines, watch the videos, this guy needs a committed, educated home - if that's you, go see him
      Ditto this.

      But in addition, he is fugly in the way that lots of proper muscling will quickly fix, and then he'll be a stunner. He's not ACTUALLY unfixably-fugly.

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      • #4
        He's fugly in a cute sort of way That and I agree that with proper muscling he will look tons better. I also watched the most recent video and I like his movement. He seems to need some work here and there but I don't see anything too abnormal for a green OTTB present. I do think he needs foundation work such as better understanding what leg means in conjunction with hand. Maybe some lateral work, and learning how to be soft while using is body correctly...but nothing that I wouldn't expect. He's been off the farm already and it looks as though he handled it well, which is so valuable! I think the only way you'll know for sure if he will work for you is to go see him I see some great potential in that horse and really do love his gaits.

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        • #5
          Hmmmmm..............5 minutes from your new job? Sounds like someone is trying to tell you something!

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          • #6
            I think he's cute, has willingness to jump and will look entirely different when muscled up.

            The only red flag for me is the draw reins. It's so easy to get a horse behind the bit if/when those are used incorrectly and so very difficult to fix that problem. I speak from experience here!

            Five minutes away? I'd go see him for sure.

            ETA - I did go back to watch the videos as my previous comments were based on the photos. He is HOT and sensitive. So it depends on how you like 'em. My current OTTB was a lot like him in the beginning and while he is a blast to ride, it took me a long time to get him to settle and really listen to me. Now, I'm a foxhunter, so it's different taking a horse like that and competing alone in a ring as opposed to galloping cross country with a lot of other horses, but horses like that do require a tactful ride and good program.
            Last edited by Bogie; May. 13, 2013, 11:39 AM.
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            • #7
              Go see him. I like him to at least check him out in person if he is that close...bounus he has a great pedigree for eventing and jumping. He needs to be in the right hands.
              Last edited by bornfreenowexpensive; May. 13, 2013, 10:48 AM.
              ** Tact is the ability to tell someone to go to hell in such a way that they look forward to the trip. ~Winston Churchill? **

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              • #8
                I don't care for him, personally. He looks not only hot, which is fine, but also like a stubborn SOB that would sooner shove you off a cliff than help you out. Just the vibe I get from him. Sometimes horses like that turn out to be amazing, but sometimes they just turn out to be jerks.

                If you do have a TON of time to spend on him and have access to the right facilities, training, etc. to give him the highly managed life I suspect he requires, then he may be worth it.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by FineAlready View Post
                  I don't care for him, personally. He looks not only hot, which is fine, but also like a stubborn SOB that would sooner shove you off a cliff than help you out. Just the vibe I get from him. Sometimes horses like that turn out to be amazing, but sometimes they just turn out to be jerks.
                  I agree. In the videos of him under saddle, it looks like he is throwing every evasion he can at his rider in the canter. That may be because his canter simply isn't all that well developed yet (it looks labored), but it also looks like he is getting light in front and thinking about rearing, especially after the jumps.
                  And this is the story of your red right ankle.

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                  • #10
                    The 1st video looks just like my horse felt yesterday when I jumped him with a new bit. Normally he's a little strong (thus the new bit), but he was not happy. I'd rather have him pulling than slinging his head, and hopping, so it's back to the old bit for now.

                    Were they jumping him with draw reins?! I don't believe that is ever a good idea
                    "Everyone will start to cheer, when you put on your sailin shoes"-Lowell George

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by catosis View Post
                      I agree. In the videos of him under saddle, it looks like he is throwing every evasion he can at his rider in the canter. That may be because his canter simply isn't all that well developed yet (it looks labored), but it also looks like he is getting light in front and thinking about rearing, especially after the jumps.
                      I also thought he looked particularly prone to rearing, although he did not rear in the video.

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                      • #12
                        Remember how easy it is to edit a video. He does appear light enough up front to rear and he might. That said, I used to ride a similar OTTB (20+ years ago) and he was light, high headed and "romping" after fences, but he never reared, or offered to.

                        I only watched the more recent video. His trot looks OK. His canter is clearly a work in progress. His rider appears to have a good leg and appears to know which battles to fight and what to ignore. He seems to like jumping and I imagine he's scopey, but you better be as good as the girl riding him to do it. Honestly, (assuming he doesn't rear, then he'd be a no-go) if I were interested, I'd work on making his canter before I did much more jumping. Maybe a few fences now and again to reward him and keep him interested. He looks like a long term project and could make an upper level horse if he's got the bravery.
                        ETA: If the videos are representative, his right lead has improved a ton since last fall
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                        • #13
                          Five minutes away.... What do you have to lose?

                          I wouldn't say he was fugly, definitely in need of some muscle and time though.
                          No hugging dear. I'm British, we only show affection to dogs and horses.

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                          • #14
                            Agree to all of the above.

                            Have to admit I was distracted by the fact that she was riding a clearly temperamental young Tb without a helmet.
                            Always be yourself. Unless you can be Batman. Then always be Batman.

                            The Grove at Five Points

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                            • #15
                              This is a horse that is owned by CANTER so you should be able to get a straight story on him. Their goal is to find him the right home.
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                              • #16
                                I like him at the trot, but agree with all that's been said about his canter. I've ridden a couple like this and I found it difficult to get them moving forward happily. I would want to get off his back and allow him to move ahead, but it's hard to do when the head keeps coming back at you. In addition, I agree with FA and catosis that did look like he had a few tricks up his sleeve. Then I looked at his pedigree and (while I know there's lots of debate about it)I don't like the Storm Cat in there. No harm in looking if it's that close, but probably not something I'd want to take time with.

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                                • #17
                                  Originally posted by Brooke View Post
                                  Then I looked at his pedigree and (while I know there's lots of debate about it)I don't like the Storm Cat in there. No harm in looking if it's that close, but probably not something I'd want to take time with.
                                  Storm Cat is one line...three generations back in there. I agree...not my favorite line but pretty much every thing else in his pedigree is. Mr. Greeley has sired a few good sport horses...love Olden Times on the bottom. Silver Deputy, Graustark, Quack, Riverman.....other than Storm Cat this is a lot to really like.

                                  To me, I'd go see him in person and make a decision. I can't see the videos but I wouldn't base any decisions off a video anyway. Not if the horse is that close.
                                  ** Tact is the ability to tell someone to go to hell in such a way that they look forward to the trip. ~Winston Churchill? **

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                                    #18
                                    I talked to the lady and apparently a few people have come to look at him but hes just too hot for them. The hotness doesnt bother me much, if anything I prefer a horse that is a bit keen. And really I think his stubborn SOB attitude might be coming from the fact that he is being ridden in draw reins and hasnt been installed with really good basics. From the first video to the last he is being ridden a bit backwards.

                                    But I dont start the job until June 1st but once I do I just might have to go take a look at him.

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                                    • #19
                                      Hope someone gives this horse a chance. What the videos show always depends on the backstory and context. Sometimes the ugly ducklings (initial photos) turn out to be glorious swans. Talking to those working with the horse will fill in a lot of that story and maybe point to potential.

                                      Hope the poster goes and takes a look and reports back.

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                                      • #20
                                        Basically what most of the others have said. If you like a hot ride, have access to a good trainer, and want something that looks potentially scopey enough for upper levels - go for it! He's only 5 mins away, worth a look, and a CANTER owned horse - they'll want him to go to the right home rather than the first available. One thing I've learned about myself recently from riding lots of different types of horses is I much prefer more "push along" horses to hot ones, so this horse would not be for me. But that is personal preference.
                                        "Choose to chance the rapids, and dare to dance the tides" - Garth Brooks
                                        "With your permission, dear, I'll take my fences one at a time" - Maggie Smith, Downton Abbey

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