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opinions on Herman Sprenger kk ultra loose ring snaffle

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  • opinions on Herman Sprenger kk ultra loose ring snaffle

    I have a young horse (just 4) and want to use the mildest bit possible. My vet has suggested the kk french snaffle. I am interested in the opinions of riders' who have used this bit. Is it worth the money or are there acceptable alternatives.

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    It's a nice, mild bit that's very popular. My own horse goes in a KK eggbutt.

    But yes, there's plenty of lower-cost alternatives that are just as mild. VTO Saddlery sells a lot of the ones that are popular with eventers.
    http://www.vtosaddlery.com/category/Loosering.htm

    If I had a young horse, I wouldn't want to be spending big money on any bits until I knew what worked for them. Your horse might prefer a different bit cheek, a mullen mouth, etc.
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    • #3
      I have several but the knock offs are probably just as good.
      -Ann

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      • #4
        You can get them used on ebay. They have good resale value so you shouldn't lose any money if you decide to pass it on. My guy goes pretty well in one. But I don't think they are "magical".

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        • #5
          Try bitandbarter.com They also have a used ones for a good price. I love mine and so does my horse.
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          • #6
            Also keep in mind that every horse's idea of "mild" is going to be different. While lots of horses find the KK bits quite mild, I've ridden quite a few (usually smaller, sensitive TBs) that they are too much for.

            FWIW, I usually start babies in Happy Mouths or rubber bits.
            Amanda

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            • #7
              I use both the kk and knockoffs and find what a horse prefers to vary. I also find a lot of young TBs prefer fixed ring (eggbutt or D) versus a loose ring. Some options are the JP bean, stubben, metalab, or many of the ones here: http://www.horsetackco.com/loose-ring-snaffle-bits.html
              My current guy goes in a Myler Comfort Snaffle and noticeably prefers it to the KK, regular french link, JP and a couple other attempts.
              OTTBs rule, but spots are good too!

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              • #8
                Originally posted by scubed View Post
                My current guy goes in a Myler Comfort Snaffle and noticeably prefers it to the KK, regular french link, JP and a couple other attempts.
                This is sort of appropo of nothing, but someone finally made a knockoff Myler Comfort Snaffle.
                http://www.sstack.com/english_bits_o...gbutt-snaffle/

                And a little further afield still...M. Toulouse is making these mullen-mouth rotation bits. I saw one at Equine Affaire.
                http://www.classicsaddlery.com/bits/rotation.htm
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                • #9
                  Glad to know about the Myler knockoff. I don't think the Toulouse bit is legal for eventing dressage and that's a problem as I have experienced the heartbreak of finding a bit that a youngster goes perfectly in (KK Butterfly Baucher http://www.doversaddlery.com/hs-kk-c...fl/p/X1-01769/) and then not being able to event in it.
                  OTTBs rule, but spots are good too!

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                  • #10
                    Size matters! A bit can be harsh if it is too thick for the horse's mouth, or if it is too big (bangs around) too small (pinches) or not adjusted properly! I have used the same "mild" kk loose ring on one horse who loved it and another who hated it. The one who hated it had a tiny mouth with a low palette and went fine in a 14 mm kk bradoon instead of the 21 mm kk training bit that I used on the big warmblood. In my view, size and correct fit is more important than the kind of snaffle that you are using.
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                    • #11
                      Mr. Princess-and-the-Pea who hates EVERY bit hated the WH Ultra considerably less. Others in my barn have had good luck with the KK Ultra, as well. One thing that makes them a little nicer than the knockoffs or similar "bean" bits is that the links are rotated, so they don't press on the palate. The ring holes through the mouthpiece are also beveled, so less chance of pinching.

                      FWIW, we've also had good luck with the double-jointed Happy Mouth types (Mr. P&P seems to like that they are not so heavy) and the Duo/ Nathe bits.

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                      • #12
                        While mildness can be a factor of individual things for a particular horse, the "Pony Club Answer" to "mildest bit possible?" would be a mullen mouth, which is a straight bar snaffle without a joint. And of those a rubber and/or flexible one like a nathe would be the mildest.

                        I generally put young horses in a "kk-like" loose ring or a fixed ring like an egg butt with the same type of joint as a kk.

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                        • #13
                          I too have had a horse who loved it and a horse who tried to spit it out...
                          Just a side note, do not extrapolate how much room is inside your horse's mouth by his overall size.
                          My kk ultra-loving horse much prefers the 14mm bradoon size to the fatter regular size...he is 17.2 on a short day and just giant all around..except apparently inside his mouth...
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