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Know your 4* Horses (3) - Sires

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  • Know your 4* Horses (3) - Sires

    Out of all stallions who have sired CCI**** competitors since 2006, only 11.5% have sired multiple progeny. This leaves 88.5% of horses who have competed at the CCI**** level since 2006 sired by unique stallions.

    What stallion has sired the greatest number of 4* progeny?
    27
    Cavalier Royale
    22.22%
    6
    Cruising
    22.22%
    6
    Heraldik
    22.22%
    6
    Master Imp
    29.63%
    8
    Primitive Rising
    0.00%
    0
    Rock King
    3.70%
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    Cruising?

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      First place is the sire of 13 CCI**** eventers and his progeny have a total of 8 top 10 placings combined (one horse has 5 of these)

      Second place has 9 competing at the 4* level with only 4 top 10 finishes.

      Third place has 8 competing with 8 top 10 placings combined.

      There is a 3 way tie for 4th (all have 5). One of these three stallions has the most top 10 finishes, 12 total for it's 5 babies combined.
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        Originally posted by Wits End Eventing View Post
        First place is the sire of 13 CCI**** eventers and his progeny have a total of 8 top 10 placings combined (one horse has 5 of these)

        Second place has 9 competing at the 4* level with only 4 top 10 finishes.

        Third place has 8 competing with 8 top 10 placings combined.

        There is a 3 way tie for 4th (all have 5). One of these three stallions has the most top 10 finishes, 12 total for it's 5 babies combined.
        Cavalier Royale
        But I counted 20 of his get that started 4*s. Some did not finish. Some might well have been pre-2006.
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          Originally posted by vineyridge View Post
          Cavalier Royale
          But I counted 20 of his get that started 4*s. Some did not finish. Some might well have been pre-2006.
          Thats interesting. I learned a lot about Irish breeding when I was over there and Cavalier is a very popular show jumping sire as well. Many of the young stock, and one of the grand prix horses were buy Cavalier.

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            Cavalier Royale

            Thanks to Viney for pointing out I'd missed a few Cavalier progeny. Helped me find a little error in the spreadsheet so Rolex 2006-2007 weren't being counted.

            Final score:
            Cavalier Royale 18
            Cruising: 9
            Master Imp: 9
            Heraldik: 5
            Primitive Rising: 5
            Rock King: 5

            The most prolific dam sire is a 3-way tie between I'm a Star, Chair Lift, and Clover Hill. Cruising is dam sire for 3 and interestingly Cavalier Royale isn't the dam sire of any CCI**** horses, yet...
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              Visit www.horsesportireland.ie for more information.

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              • #8
                Earlier discussion about Heraldik who was an influential sire
                http://www.chronofhorse.com/forum/sh...-Sire-Rankings
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                  Cavalier Royale was just as good a show jumper sire as he was an event horse sire. And he IS showing up as damsire for them (sj). There are quite a few with him as damsire who were at Boekelo this year. I can't remember exactly, but it was in the neighborhood of 5. Pippa Funnell's Billy Beware has him as damsire.
                  So I think he will show up in 4* eventers fairly soon as damsire. His sons don't seem to be doing quite as well, but time will tell.

                  Heraldik is interesting for two reasons: Germany has traditionally not been a big event horse breeding nation. So his opportunities for purpose bred eventers was far more limited than Cavalier's. He sired some international show jumpers too, but he also sired a dressage stallion who went to the London Olympics for Poland.

                  There is a Heraldik son standing in California named Hunter, and he looks very promising for eventing.
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