• Welcome to the Chronicle Forums.
    Please complete your profile. The forums and the rest of www.chronofhorse.com has single sign-in, so your log in information for one will automatically work for the other. Disclaimer: The opinions expressed here are the views of the individual and do not necessarily reflect the views and opinions of The Chronicle of the Horse.

Announcement

Collapse

Forum rules and no-advertising policy

As a participant on this forum, it is your responsibility to know and follow our rules. Please read this message in its entirety.

Board Rules

1. You’re responsible for what you say.
As outlined in Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, The Chronicle of the Horse and its affiliates, as well Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd., the developers of vBulletin, are not legally responsible for statements made in the forums.

This is a public forum viewed by a wide spectrum of people, so please be mindful of what you say and who might be reading it—details of personal disputes are likely better handled privately. While posters are legally responsible for their statements, the moderators may in their discretion remove or edit posts that violate these rules. Users have the ability to modify or delete their own messages after posting, but administrators generally will not delete posts, threads or accounts upon request.

Outright inflammatory, vulgar, harassing, malicious or otherwise inappropriate statements and criminal charges unsubstantiated by a reputable news source or legal documentation will not be tolerated and will be dealt with at the discretion of the moderators.

2. Conversations in horse-related forums should be horse-related.
The forums are a wonderful source of information and support for members of the horse community. While it’s understandably tempting to share information or search for input on other topics upon which members might have a similar level of knowledge, members must maintain the focus on horses.

3. Keep conversations productive, on topic and civil.
Discussion and disagreement are inevitable and encouraged; personal insults, diatribes and sniping comments are unproductive and unacceptable. Whether a subject is light-hearted or serious, keep posts focused on the current topic and of general interest to other participants of that thread. Utilize the private message feature or personal email where appropriate to address side topics or personal issues not related to the topic at large.

4. No advertising in the discussion forums.
Posts in the discussion forums directly or indirectly advertising horses, jobs, items or services for sale or wanted will be removed at the discretion of the moderators. Use of the private messaging feature or email addresses obtained through users’ profiles for unsolicited advertising is not permitted.

Company representatives may participate in discussions and answer questions about their products or services, or suggest their products on recent threads if they fulfill the criteria of a query. False "testimonials" provided by company affiliates posing as general consumers are not appropriate, and self-promotion of sales, ad campaigns, etc. through the discussion forums is not allowed.

Paid advertising is available on our classifieds site and through the purchase of banner ads. The tightly monitored Giveaways forum permits free listings of genuinely free horses and items available or wanted (on a limited basis). Items offered for trade are not allowed.

Advertising Policy Specifics
When in doubt of whether something you want to post constitutes advertising, please contact a moderator privately in advance for further clarification. Refer to the following points for general guidelines:

Horses – Only general discussion about the buying, leasing, selling and pricing of horses is permitted. If the post contains, or links to, the type of specific information typically found in a sales or wanted ad, and it’s related to a horse for sale, regardless of who’s selling it, it doesn’t belong in the discussion forums.

Stallions – Board members may ask for suggestions on breeding stallion recommendations. Stallion owners may reply to such queries by suggesting their own stallions, only if their horse fits the specific criteria of the original poster. Excessive promotion of a stallion by its owner or related parties is not permitted and will be addressed at the discretion of the moderators.

Services – Members may use the forums to ask for general recommendations of trainers, barns, shippers, farriers, etc., and other members may answer those requests by suggesting themselves or their company, if their services fulfill the specific criteria of the original post. Members may not solicit other members for business if it is not in response to a direct, genuine query.

Products – While members may ask for general opinions and suggestions on equipment, trailers, trucks, etc., they may not list the specific attributes for which they are in the market, as such posts serve as wanted ads.

Event Announcements – Members may post one notification of an upcoming event that may be of interest to fellow members, if the original poster does not benefit financially from the event. Such threads may not be “bumped” excessively. Premium members may post their own notices in the Event Announcements forum.

Charities/Rescues – Announcements for charitable or fundraising events can only be made for 501(c)(3) tax-exempt organizations. Special exceptions may be made, at the moderators’ discretion and direction, for board-related events or fundraising activities in extraordinary circumstances.

Occasional posts regarding horses available for adoption through IRS-registered horse rescue or placement programs are permitted in the appropriate forums, but these threads may be limited at the discretion of the moderators. Individuals may not advertise or make announcements for horses in need of rescue, placement or adoption unless the horse is available through a recognized rescue or placement agency or government-run entity or the thread fits the criteria for and is located in the Giveaways forum.

5. Do not post copyrighted photographs unless you have purchased that photo and have permission to do so.

6. Respect other members.
As members are often passionate about their beliefs and intentions can easily be misinterpreted in this type of environment, try to explore or resolve the inevitable disagreements that arise in the course of threads calmly and rationally.

If you see a post that you feel violates the rules of the board, please click the “alert” button (exclamation point inside of a triangle) in the bottom left corner of the post, which will alert ONLY the moderators to the post in question. They will then take whatever action, or no action, as deemed appropriate for the situation at their discretion. Do not air grievances regarding other posters or the moderators in the discussion forums.

Please be advised that adding another user to your “Ignore” list via your User Control Panel can be a useful tactic, which blocks posts and private messages by members whose commentary you’d rather avoid reading.

7. We have the right to reproduce statements made in the forums.
The Chronicle of the Horse may copy, quote, link to or otherwise reproduce posts, or portions of posts, in print or online for advertising or editorial purposes, if attributed to their original authors, and by posting in this forum, you hereby grant to The Chronicle of the Horse a perpetual, non-exclusive license under copyright and other rights, to do so.

8. We reserve the right to enforce and amend the rules.
The moderators may delete, edit, move or close any post or thread at any time, or refrain from doing any of the foregoing, in their discretion, and may suspend or revoke a user’s membership privileges at any time to maintain adherence to the rules and the general spirit of the forum. These rules may be amended at any time to address the current needs of the board.

Please see our full Terms of Service and Privacy Policy for more information.

Thanks for being a part of the COTH forums!

(Revised 1/26/16)
See more
See less

Human Bowed Tendons

Collapse
X
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • Human Bowed Tendons

    I have injured (bowed) my achilles tendon for a second time riding. The first time it was both tendons. Both times nothing traumatic has happened, seems to be more of a stress injury. Ive been to orthepedist, etc, had custom soles made, wrapped my feet to ride, iced, heated, all of it without relief. Has anyone else done this? If so, what have you done for relief, especially to keep riding, and how did you keep from re-injury?

    A little background, I ride about 15 horses/day from racehorses to show horses and everything in between. Really need to keep myself in the saddle as it is my job!

    Thanks in advance!

  • #2
    You haven't been on antibiotics lately, have you?
    Click here before you buy.

    Comment


    • #3
      Voltaren gel worked wonders for me but it practically took an act of congress to get my insurance to cover it. I hear you can get it in Canada very cheap and OTC!
      The rebel in the grey shirt

      Comment


      • #4
        Originally posted by deltawave View Post
        You haven't been on antibiotics lately, have you?
        Exactly! *cough, cough* Cipro...
        Flip a coin. It's not what side lands that matters, but what side you were hoping for when the coin was still in the air.

        You call it boxed wine. I call it carboardeaux.

        Comment


        • #5
          The first time was the winter before last and I wasn't on anything. I was on lots of antibiotics last month for walking pneumonia and lingering bronchitis after. What's the connection?

          Comment


          • #6
            Well, fluoroquinolones (along with some other potential side effects) can cause tendon rupture.

            Comment


            • #7
              Originally posted by Larbear View Post
              Well, fluoroquinolones (along with some other potential side effects) can cause tendon rupture.
              very interesting!!

              what is causing these issues? Is it the stretch put on your tendons from extreme and extended time in dorsiflexion?

              I have found that the cost of Voltaren with insurance has gone up enough that it costs the same for me to just get Surpass from my vet. If you are in Canada then you are super lucky!
              Load up on the Voltaren.

              Ice them.

              Get a min 8" paddock boot that laces up. Tie them up tight. This will decrease dorsiflexion. Trade off is that your feet might go a little numb from the tightness of the boot at your ankle.

              Also, you can look up how to tape ankles on google. Tape your ankles for support. This too will decrease the amount of dorsiflexion. Be careful when taping though. You don't need to pull it tight. Just wrap it without pulling. It will seem too loose but it's not. The support is still there.

              restricting dorsiflexion will take some of that pull off of your tendons.
              http://kaboomeventing.com/
              http://kaboomeventing.blogspot.com/
              Horses are amazing athletes and make no mistake -- they are the stars of the show!

              Comment


              • #8
                Maybe also consider western stirrups or those flatter/platform style that don't let you shove your foot so far "home". Heels down might make GM happy, but it doesn't please old Achilles much.
                Click here before you buy.

                Comment


                • #9
                  Another alternative to consider is the EasyCare EZ rider endurance stirrups. They have a thick shock absorber cushion and you can get a piece that goes on the top of the stirrup that takes even more shock out. There are cages for the front to keep the foot from going too far forward.
                  http://www.actionridertack.com/c-144...aspx?pagenum=1
                  Intermediate Riding Skills

                  Comment


                  • #10
                    Originally posted by purplnurpl View Post
                    very interesting!!

                    what is causing these issues? Is it the stretch put on your tendons from extreme and extended time in dorsiflexion?

                    I have found that the cost of Voltaren with insurance has gone up enough that it costs the same for me to just get Surpass from my vet. If you are in Canada then you are super lucky!
                    Load up on the Voltaren.

                    Ice them.

                    Get a min 8" paddock boot that laces up. Tie them up tight. This will decrease dorsiflexion. Trade off is that your feet might go a little numb from the tightness of the boot at your ankle.

                    Also, you can look up how to tape ankles on google. Tape your ankles for support. This too will decrease the amount of dorsiflexion. Be careful when taping though. You don't need to pull it tight. Just wrap it without pulling. It will seem too loose but it's not. The support is still there.

                    restricting dorsiflexion will take some of that pull off of your tendons.
                    I think it does have to donwith the flexion. My first 7-9 horses of the day are galloping racehorses on the track. Those horses hurt me the most right now as I ride pretty short on most of them. (I'm not really strong enough to ride them leg long). Last time they were hurt I wrapped my ankles in vet wrap every day to ride which seemed to help a little.

                    The tape sounds interesting, might give that a go. I just looked it up on YouTube, looks pretty doable.

                    Comment


                    • #11
                      Well not exactly applicable because I bowed myself during an accident.

                      As really bad luck would have it, at that time I had a laser rented because my mare had bowed at the same time. It was ours for 3 months paid for by her insurance.

                      My vet scanned me the same day she did the 45 day scan on the mare. The mare's tendon looked great, mine was a wreck. She suggested I go to my orthopedist. Ortho laughed at the ultrasound pics and said I should take them down the hall to the Ob-Gyn because he sure as hell didn't know how to read them. So I called my vet back and she laughed. Told me to do for myself the same as I was doing for my mare. So did laser therapy 1x a day, for less time and at less power. Shaved the hell out of my leg (hair and poultice don't mix) and poulticed daily for a week and stayed off of it while wearing a walking boot and crutches. That leg is still stronger than my other leg. 3 weeks of laser therapy at different levels and intervals... and voila... my leg scanned better too.

                      I know that's not necessarily workable for someone working through the injury, but I know all too well you can't gallop a horse through a bow, nor can a human. At some point you need to stop and rest it.

                      Emily
                      "Courage is not the absence of fear but rather the judgment that something is more important than fear. The brave may not live forever but the cautious do not live at all." ~2001 The Princess Diaries

                      Comment


                      • #12
                        Hmm, I was on crutches for about 6 weeks the last time, but did continue to ride 6-8 horses/day. It's just the one foot this time, and also seems to be much more minor but I don't have the chance to ride less horses this time and am also worried that this is going to be a chronic problem.

                        Comment


                        • #13
                          Most decisions we make with regard to our health come down to choosing between what is best for our bodies and whatever other thing (be it finances, inconvenience, insurance, pain, fear, etc.) stands in the way of doing the best possible thing for the malady in question. Tendons and chronic overuse do not make a happy partnership.
                          Click here before you buy.

                          Comment


                          • #14
                            I had to purchase the wider stirrups. I picked up the ones from VTO. They come in chrome (and not just black).
                            They ran me like $75 bucks. Not sure what they were called though...
                            If you have your own exercise saddle they might be a good investment. They will give the whole section of your body (lower leg/ankle/foot) more stability.

                            They were amazing. They helped with my foot bed issues as well.
                            http://kaboomeventing.com/
                            http://kaboomeventing.blogspot.com/
                            Horses are amazing athletes and make no mistake -- they are the stars of the show!

                            Comment


                            • #15
                              What was the official diagnosis? Do you have a tear? Or a strain?

                              I cut mine and it was a pretty long process of recovery (I was in a cast with toe pointed down, then had to do rehab, etc.). I went very slowly back into riding/running because the Drs were afraid of rupture.

                              The tricky thing about the achilles is that sometimes to heal it has to be contracted (lifts in shoes, etc.) whereas for riding it needs to stretch.

                              I guess trying not to strain it during riding (maybe put your feet more home in the stirrups, or buy the wide ones) and being really careful in your non-riding life (per my Drs, the quick twists/lateral pivots are the worst for it) might allow you to rest-while-working. Or maybe you will have to do some rest-only?

                              Good luck!

                              Comment

                              • Original Poster

                                #16
                                Ouch! Yours sounds quite painful! Officially it's just a strain this time. Last time a strain in one and very small tear in the other (which is the one that is acting up now.) The shoe inserts I was given were just like what you described, raising the heals taking the stretch out of the tendon. I was on crutches when I wasn't riding for about 6weeks. It took nearly a year to walk well. I did ride through it but I had about half the workload I have now.

                                Unfortunately I don't have time to rest it completely right now, my big horse is aimed for Rolex this spring so he's back in work now and I have to ride tenothers to fund that endeavor. So.. I guess I'm just looking for ways to not make it worse until then.

                                I will try the stirrup idea for my other went horses for sure. And taped it this am per PURPLNURPL's advice. And no extra physical activities outside riding.

                                Comment


                                • #17
                                  I would look into buying some new stirrups. Try the MDC's or something similar.
                                  "If you've got a horse, you've got a problem"

                                  Comment


                                  • #18
                                    Originally posted by RedLetterSales View Post
                                    Ouch! Yours sounds quite painful! Officially it's just a strain this time. Last time a strain in one and very small tear in the other (which is the one that is acting up now.) The shoe inserts I was given were just like what you described, raising the heals taking the stretch out of the tendon. I was on crutches when I wasn't riding for about 6weeks. It took nearly a year to walk well. I did ride through it but I had about half the workload I have now.

                                    Unfortunately I don't have time to rest it completely right now, my big horse is aimed for Rolex this spring so he's back in work now and I have to ride tenothers to fund that endeavor. So.. I guess I'm just looking for ways to not make it worse until then.

                                    I will try the stirrup idea for my other went horses for sure. And taped it this am per PURPLNURPL's advice. And no extra physical activities outside riding.
                                    Just curious... as it relates to a hypothesis I had not long ago.

                                    OP- Are you on one of the training lists? Or trying to get on them?

                                    Emily
                                    "Courage is not the absence of fear but rather the judgment that something is more important than fear. The brave may not live forever but the cautious do not live at all." ~2001 The Princess Diaries

                                    Comment


                                    • #19
                                      I have chronic achilles tendonitis on my right leg after a fall. I did icing, bracing, either use endurance type stirrups(on my endurance saddle for trail) or wide based reflex composite stirrups with my hunter saddle. It took me months before I felt comfortable using my hunter saddle due to the flex. I went to a sports medicine ortho and got stretching exercises which I didn't find to help that much. I finally decided to give accupuncture a try. Unfortunately, my insurance doesn't cover it. I have been going since last February and while not cheap($135 per visit) it does work. This year I started a medical flex spending account so I could cover it that way. I go every 4-5 weeks and this keeps it manageable. I tried to go a little longer and it was starting to hurt again. I also use Voltaran. I was purchasing the over the counter from Canada which is the same as Surpass. It worked ok, but I needed to use it religiously 4 times per day. My accupuncture doctor contacted a compunding pharmacy in the area and found that it could be compounded up to 10x what the regular type is. The RX I get also has 2% Lidocaine in it. I have better results with this and only need to use it maybe once to twice per day. Good luck with getting some relief.

                                      Comment


                                      • #20
                                        Even if you are Rolex bound....if at all possible....take at least a week off. Do it now rather than try to push through it. If you don't let it heal, you wont make it around Rolex anyway and you can hurt yourself worse forcing you to have to take more time off. If you take the time now, you will have a better chance at managing it.
                                        ** Tact is the ability to tell someone to go to hell in such a way that they look forward to the trip. ~Winston Churchill? **

                                        Comment

                                        Working...
                                        X