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Gully had a seizure....Update post #57

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  • Gully had a seizure....Update post #57

    ..and I don't know what to do.

    He's been off work essentially since May, when he was diagnosed with navicular problems. We've tried a plethora of shoeing and medication options, none of which so far have helped. He's been off all medicine for several months, except for a small dose of Thyro-L which he's been on for years, because of his metabolic issues (never quite defined, but, like porn, you know it when you see it).

    Today I brought him in for the farrier at 9. He was shod around noon--I was there for the front feet, he was standing easy and looked great. Then I had to go back to the house (it was raining in my basement; a whole nother story); when I returned, my farrier said that Gully had stood calmly for all four feet. Then he put Gully back in his stall, and as he removed Gully's halter Gully went stiff, threw his head up, and began to lurch uncontrollably around the stall. The farrier couldn't get to the regular door, so went out over the dutch door to the pasture to get out of the way. Gully collapsed against the water buckets, completely crushing one, fell to the floor, and lay shaking for about 40 seconds.

    Then he slowly regained his feet. By the time I got back to the barn, maybe 15 minutes after this happened, he looked fine. I went in and stroked him, and he seemed fine. Later when I put his grazing muzzle on before turning him out, he got a bit stiff, with an odd look in his eye, but then he walked out of the stall as normal.

    What the heck? Can anybody help me here? He's turning 16, not overweight, on full turnout, a Connemara if that helps.
    Last edited by gully's pilot; Dec. 10, 2012, 05:49 PM.

  • #2
    Obvious question here but have to ask--any chance the farrier gave him an injection?
    It sounds like what happens when they get a bad injection :/

    I would absolutely have a vet out, in particular to make sure you were not dealing with a tumor in the brain or something


    • #3
      Originally posted by FairWeather View Post
      I would absolutely have a vet out, in particular to make sure you were not dealing with a tumor in the brain or something
      THIS!!! Don't delay. This sounds pretty serious and not only for Gully, but for your peace of mind you need to call in the experts. I will give a jingles to you both and hope for the best. One thing I've learned about horses, you don't count them out till they go. Please let us know how things go.


      • #4
        Good thought about the injection; a carotid stick could certainly cause this.

        If that's not the case (and even if it is) I would be calling the vet out ASAP. Seizures are extremely serious. The second episode where he got the "odd look in his eye" could have been a smaller, focal seizure. This horse is a danger to himself and others.


        • #5
          Ummmmmm..... Sounds exactly like what happens when you accidentally inject IV into the carotid instead of the jugular vein. I have seen it happen, very scary stuff. Vet recommended ban amine. If this is what happened consider yourself lucky, an IV injection into the carotid can kill a horse. Hope he is ok.


          • #6
            I have a 27 year old mare who has started having seizures. She does not have full blown ones just left side isolated. Her first one was in March, then had a small one in June and just had a fairly large one last week . I have been fighting with when it would be time to let her go. However we have a medication regiment that we start as soon as I spot signs. Banamine and Dex for three days. It seems to help A LOT, but most importantly keeping her everyday avtivities the same. This is a very tough spot for anyone to be in and it is very scary, there is not much you can do to help them. My old lady has figured it out and stays pretty calm so they pass pretty quickly. I wish you luck!
            Throw your heart over first....then jump after it!


            • #7
              Jingles!!!! So scary!

              I've only seen horse seizures once and it was in a very old TB mare 30+ yrs old, who had Cushings. I (sadly) don't remember why she passed away (infirmities of old age or something else).

              My dog had seizures. Some times when they are post-ictal they are still not right. That may explain the funny look in his eye before you turned him out.

              Hang in there! Hopefully when you get the vet out you will get some answers! ((HUGS)))
              Unrepentant carb eater


              • #8
                There is a commonality here...when he went to take OFF the Halter...When you put on his grazing muzzle..it IS Poll or head oriented...GET the VET.....

                he removed Gully's halter Gully went stiff
                Later when I put his grazing muzzle on


                • #9
                  Get the vet. Not something to mess around with at all. It could be any number of things.

                  Fingers crossed it isn't serious.
                  ** Tact is the ability to tell someone to go to hell in such a way that they look forward to the trip. ~Winston Churchill? **


                  • Original Poster

                    Thanks so much, guys. I will call the vet; I probably have to take him to a "real" vet, not my locals. The farrier absolutely did not stick him with anything, he would have told me, and plus, I was there for most of the shoeing, and Gully's not a problem to shoe. It had me so frazzled--not to mention the raining in my basement, honestly, today sucked--that I just stared at him and really couldn't think how to help.


                    • #11
                      Glad no one was injured ~ Jingles & Please be careful !

                      Glad no one was injured !

                      Jingles and please be careful !

                      Do not go into Gully's stall ~ make him come to the door ~
                      Zu Zu Bailey " IT'S A WONDERFUL LIFE ! "


                      • #12
                        How scary!! Jingles for your horse, and I echo everyone that said get him to the vet. Wishing for a good outcome
                        Certified Spiritual Medium/ Animal Communicator


                        • #13
                          Poor thing!

                          I have seen the exact same thing happen with horses wearing the nutcracker - type of cribbing collar, any chance he was wearing one? I have also seen a horse with a brain tumor do this. Could also be inner ear, or some poll-issue as JBRP noted. Hopefully your vet can do xrays and endoscope. Good Luck!


                          • #14
                            Very scary stuff, for Gully and those around him, with a definite potential for crushing more than a bucket. Be careful! Good luck, hoping for the best.


                            • #15
                              Definitely see a vet.

                              And please, gully's pilot, make sure you ALWAYS have a co-pilot when you're handing or hauling this horse. Do not go near him alone until you have a firm grip on what's going on. Have someone there to watch out for you.

                              Good luck. This sort of thing is so scary and leaves you feeling so completely helpless. I hope Gully is okay.


                              • #16
                                So sorry you are going through this. Fingers crossed you get some answers soon.

                                And I 2nd (3rd? 8th) the safe handling protocol.
                                Always be yourself. Unless you can be Batman. Then always be Batman.

                                The Grove at Five Points


                                • #17
                                  Sending jingles and prayers for Gully from KY.

                                  I had a dog who had Grand Mal seizures. She would be hyper afterward and run into things. Apparently, the seizures affect their eyes, immediately after having one. It was very scary to watch her go through them, but more scary to watch her run into the wall, couch, table, etc., after. The Vet tried medication, but it did not work. We did not want her quality of life to get any worse, so made the hard decision.

                                  I hope that there is a treatment for Gully.

                                  As others mentioned, you need to be very aware and have a friend with you, for your own safety.
                                  When in Doubt, let your horse do the Thinking!


                                  • #18
                                    I have only dealt with one horse who had seizures, and after many vet appointments they found out he had EPM. After treatment he never had another one.

                                    I hope he is okay; please do be careful handling him!!


                                    • #19
                                      Oh crap. I'd start with cervical rads and a neuro exam, grab some lab samples, and hire an equine ambulance to get him to the nearest VTH for in-depth studies. I wouldn't try hauling him in my personal rig unless I could get him slinged in there. I would not delay.

                                      I'll put extra long jingly curb chains on everyone I ride today.
                                      Michael: Seems the people who burned me want me for a job.
                                      Sam: A job? Does it pay?
                                      Michael: Nah, it's more of a "we'll kill you if you don't do it" type of thing.
                                      Sam: Oh. I've never liked those.


                                      • #20
                                        Get a vets opinion, ASAP. I've seen seizures in humans and they are very, very scary. I cannot even imagine what one in a horse would be like.

                                        Good luck to you.

                                        Also...I would directly ask your farrier if the horse was injected. I didn't find out until months later my perfectly well behaved mare was being aced to be shod. I was there the first few shoeing's and the mare was perfect. I have no idea why farrier and BO decided ace was necessary and did not inform me. And I only found out by accident, needless to say, I was not happy at all.
                                        "Choose to chance the rapids, and dare to dance the tides" - Garth Brooks
                                        "With your permission, dear, I'll take my fences one at a time" - Maggie Smith, Downton Abbey