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  • #61
    Excellent!!

    Originally posted by Duckz View Post
    I would dress to the nines in my rarely used (but still fashionable!) hunter gear, horrify and/or impress the judges in the 3'6" amateur/owner division, then saunter to the start box and run cross country with my vest thrown over my hunter princess clothes. It would be the best day ever
    Love it!!!

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    • #62
      [QUOTE=RAyers;6585770]The Colorado Horse Park has done something that I think would be AWESOME if more venues did, they ran a USEF "A" show, a local "B" show and the horse trials all at once. Talk about cross pollination!!! I think there were about 300-400 horses total with 7 rings going.

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      I think that the horse trials and the h/j show had separate management.
      When you mention a local 'B' show do you mean a USEF B rated show or one of those unrated shows? Because that's the only way that an A and a so called B show could run at the same time.
      However, it is an interesting concept.
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      • #63
        At one time in the US people were horsemen/women. They diversified their riding/training because there limited competitions of any discipline throughout most of the country.
        Look at the US civilian teams through the 1980's. They went to the Maclays, foxhunted, steeplechased, completed 100 mile endurance races, did jumpers, whatever was out there. Hilda Gurney was a US champion eventer before she moved over to dressage. Karen Stives, IIRC, qualified for both eventing and SJ in 1984. Michael Page and Michael Plumb proably would have excelled at any discipline.
        However - over the years we have evolved into specialists.
        I love the idea of taking the German 3 ring show idea,tweak it to make it work here in the US.
        Just read the KOC article in the current COTH. She is correct, we are are us, the US. We will have to do things our way and that is really our strength.
        I believe we should look at what other countries are doing, take it, tweak it so it works for us.
        "Never do anything that you have to explain twice to the paramedics."
        Courtesy my cousin Tim

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          #64
          Originally posted by PINE TREE FARM SC View Post

          I think that the horse trials and the h/j show had separate management.
          When you mention a local 'B' show do you mean a USEF B rated show or one of those unrated shows? Because that's the only way that an A and a so called B show could run at the same time.
          However, it is an interesting concept.


          One show was a Colorado Hunter Jumper Show that was rated. The "A" show had the same management other than show manager.

          Yes, the horse trials had separate management, but all the facilities were the same and through cooperative agreements, cross entries (from horse trial to show) were allowed with no penalty.

          I really think we need to start doing that much more often in the US. Stop the segregation and specialization.

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          • #65
            I agree with you completly, Reed.
            In the late 70 the US Stadium Jumpers showed up in Europe. What stuck with me, the ease with which they approached the biggest jumps and combination, just galloped to them and pop.
            It was amazing.
            But than they had cut their teeth in the HJ.

            If one looks at the top eventers in Europe, they are comfi in the Dressage Arena, or the Stadium and the XC.
            Jung with his ease reminds me of those jumpers the US brought to Europe in the 70, just gallops to the jumps, pop and continues..
            If one looks at older Eventing clips, lets say 80 and 90, thats what the US riders looked like. Yes it was the LF, but they just were always nicely in stride, no hands etc.
            But they had come through the whole sport, dressage, hj, jumping, hunting, endurance and well eventing.
            People used to do all of it, they took their " Eventer " to hunt, to dressage, go hunting, or do a jumper.
            It aint that way any more. In the US, you are or not, you do not cross and shows are segregated
            That I have no use for them, does not mean, that I don't know them and don't know how to use them.
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            • #66
              Originally posted by Gnep View Post
              Jung with his ease reminds me of those jumpers the US brought to Europe in the 70, just gallops to the jumps, pop and continues.
              Michael Jung's training style is very similar to Mike Plumb's.

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              • #67
                Originally posted by RAyers View Post
                One show was a Colorado Hunter Jumper Show that was rated. The "A" show had the same management other than show manager.

                Yes, the horse trials had separate management, but all the facilities were the same and through cooperative agreements, cross entries (from horse trial to show) were allowed with no penalty.

                I really think we need to start doing that much more often in the US. Stop the segregation and specialization.
                The Colorado H/J show was not USEF rated. I haven't seen a situation in a long time where an unrated show ran at the same time/facilities as a USEF rated show.

                Not saying this is a bad thing, in fact I think it's a good opportunity but the logistics of doing this are problematic.
                Eventing and H/J follow very different rules so the judges and stewards/Techs can not be the same. H/J has a very specific set of facility requirements for a show that varies by the show rating. I don't think Eventing has anything similar.

                Years ago when there was not a separate H/J group this would have been easier to accomplish but each discipline is very specialized now. In the case of not charging post entries to the eventers who decided to show H/J this may be a rule violation if it took place at a USEF rated show because all entry conditions have to be the same. You can't offer no penalty post entries to one group of exhibitors, it has to apply to all. If this took place at the unrated show then no problem.
                Even management is an issue because in H/J land the manager has to be a USEF and a USHJA member. So if a group of eventers wanted to put on a H/J show in connection with an event you might have to use two managers.

                At some of the large facilities like the VA Horse Center or the Lexington KY complex there are separate areas for multiple types of events so they don't interact much with each other.
                I'm curious about the setup in Colorado. Are there separate areas for each discipline?
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