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Another THRILLING Saddle Fit Thread! (With Pictures!)

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  • Another THRILLING Saddle Fit Thread! (With Pictures!)

    You clicked because you're really, really in love with saddle threads and I thank you for that! Yes, Facebook photos but will work for everyone unless Facebook itself is blocked.

    The culprit, a 4yo TB mare who is ballooning outwards on a daily basis thanks to another growth spurt:

    So she is flat front to back, but a more narrow shoulder/wither area.

    I went through my two-rider saddle collection to see what I am working with:

    The narrow Crosby...this saddle fit her up until a few months ago:
    Now it's wayyy too tight on her, and rocks.

    The Berney Brothers medium:
    This just came in the mail...doesn't really fit her withers (kinda flares out?) and it obviously rocks.

    The Antill generous wide:
    This is my swoopy-backed, giant-shouldered, low-withered QH gelding's saddle...and the one that I've been riding Miss Mare in. It sits lower on her withers but fits with a half pad. How it fits his swoopy back and her flat one I have no idea!

    The Ancient Smith Worthington, medium:
    This is barnmate's saddle, just tossed it on to see. It fits her pretty well, actually, but doesn't fit ME at all.

    The Passier dressage:
    This has a 30cm tree, I believe. Also barnmate's, way too big on me and Passier flaps never fit my short legs. But it fits her just awesome.

    The Loriner dressage:
    This is my gelding's dressage saddle, which fits him like a glove with it's generous wide hoop tree. It flares out a bit too much (no shoulders to fill out around the knee rolls) on her, but again magically fits her front to back despite their different shapes. It's a little wide, but could manage with a half pad.

    Others that I've tried: An HDR, rocked like a rocking horse on her. And a Dover Circuit, medium tree, that fit her like a glove but it was before her growth spurt. Getting my hands on it again soon to see if it's still an option.

    I'm in a bit of a pinch to find something for her, since she is going off property for a part lease and cannot take my gelding's saddle. I'm also on a budget, of course, but am an Ebay pro and can find just about anything that's not French in my budget. (sub-$750)

    The Passier fits her best of all....what sort of CC saddles fit a similar way? I am not entirely against a dressage saddle but would prefer a cc at this point so I can stay off her green baby back a bit. Any other suggestions?

  • #2
    Passier makes CC saddles. Other than that, I'm no help.


    • Original Poster

      Originally posted by Heinz 57 View Post
      Passier makes CC saddles. Other than that, I'm no help.
      I'm in the process of hunting one down. I think most of them are a little ugly, but hey, whatever works!


      • #4
        Critique number one: saddles are all too far forward! Around two fingers width's behind the scapula. :-)

        Also, your mare has a pretty flat back, with small withers, is relatively flat side-to-side, and looks pretty average width wise. So, look for something with flatter panels on the back, and built on a straight tree. Something like a Bates, Colliegiate, maybe an older County? Those can be found inexpensively, especially if you are willing to look on eBay.

        And, Passier does make a CC saddle, but the new ones are VERY hard to find, and are not cheap. The old ones tend to be every narrow, with very narrow gullets.
        "On the back of a horse I felt whole, complete, connected to that vital place in the center of me...and the chaos within me found balance."


        • #5
          Originally posted by GoForAGallop View Post
          I'm in the process of hunting one down. I think most of them are a little ugly, but hey, whatever works!
          I was looking at one that was relatively normal looking...square cantle, regular forward-type flap, pretty flat seat, not the all-purpose looking styles. I'll see if I can dig up the name of it.

          I was also going to suggest Bates, but then you said the Passier fit well...which is banana-y. I have a Bates and am pretty pleased with it, though it's a dressage saddle (had for less than $600!).


          • Original Poster

            Originally posted by Ainsley688 View Post
            Critique number one: saddles are all too far forward! Around two fingers width's behind the scapula. :-)

            Also, your mare has a pretty flat back, with small withers, is relatively flat side-to-side, and looks pretty average width wise. So, look for something with flatter panels on the back, and built on a straight tree. Something like a Bates, Colliegiate, maybe an older County?
            I do the standard method of placing them too far forward and then sliding them back until they stop, although I suppose that doesn't necessarily work if the tree is wrong in the first place!

            I have a county dressage coming on a trial, but the older ones tend tO be a little narrow through the gullet. Also have a collegiate coming, as they always seem to be "workable" on most horses, the nicer old wool flocked ones.


            • #7
              Originally posted by GoForAGallop View Post
              Passier flaps never fit my short legs. But it fits her just awesome.
              I bought a used Passier Grand Gilbert and my saddle fitter shortened the flaps. You'd never realize it unless I pointed it out. So, it's possible to do, but you have to find someone who really knows what he/she is doing. I'm lucky that my fitter is really, really good.


              • #8
                The majority of these are the wrong shaped panel for a TB back. If they are shaped like a banana they won't work for your flat backed mare. I find most english made saddles work for these type of backs -county, albion, black country...


                • #9
                  I've had great luck with my E. Jeffries Hawk Event (older I think 1995ish) fitting the TB or Appendix backs. I just put it on my new TB with a flat back and a bit longer/higher wither then yours and it fit very nicely. It's a Medium tree.


                  • #10
                    I have had several flat back TBs that did well in a Passier Grand Gilbert for dressage and an Ainsley Chester for jumping. My Chester is the original model and I love it, but the newer ones should work as well. You should be able to find one used well within your budget.


                    • #11
                      Originally posted by GoForAGallop View Post
                      I'm in the process of hunting one down. I think most of them are a little ugly, but hey, whatever works!
                      I totally agree, but they have one called a Phoenix (I think) that looks reasonable. I'm on the look out for one used.
                      You hate that, don’t you? Do you like oysters? You have to acquire a taste for oysters and the deep distance.”
                      -- George H. Morris on learning to love the deep distance