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  • Is this bit legal?

    Now that I think I've finally found a bit my horse genuinely likes, I've freaked myself out that I'm not going to be able to use it for dressage. Shoot me down now before I get too attached, or reassure me I can use it (please!).

    This Happy Mouth.

    Thanks for indulging my stupid question.
    http://poorwomanshowing.blogspot.com/
    R.I.P. Eagles Hill. 4/6/00-12/10/11.

  • #2
    I'v used it at lots of events, sold the horse that liked it so have not for this last season but his bit was checked every time with no one questioning it.

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    • #3
      This bit is *not* legal, as the middle bit rolls. Apparently, lots of people use it and don't get caught (unless I am the TD or bit check person). I emailed Malcolm Hook about it last weekend and he said that it was not legal. I heard from another judge that there may be a rule change in the works for it to become legal.
      Last edited by scubed; Aug. 27, 2012, 03:00 PM.
      OTTBs rule, but spots are good too!

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      • #4
        Is the middle part fixed, or does it roll?

        Can't tell from the picture.

        If it rolls it is not legal.
        Janet

        chief feeder and mucker for Music, Spy, Belle and Tiara. Someone else is now feeding and mucking for Chief and Brain (both foxhunting now).

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          #5
          It does roll, which was exactly what I was afraid of. Thanks for the responses! Off to go look at different Happy Mouths...
          http://poorwomanshowing.blogspot.com/
          R.I.P. Eagles Hill. 4/6/00-12/10/11.

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          • #6
            These would be legal:

            http://www.marystack.com/happy-mouth...FQJx4AodUl0AXA

            http://www.horsebitbank.com/happy-mo...butt-543.phtml

            I am not sure about this, but you might check with them to see if it rolls: http://www.horsetackinternational.co...6#.UDvocsFlQsc

            Nathe had one, but I thought they had recalled it because the center piece was shattering. http://www.horsebitbank.com/nathe-lo...link-313.phtml
            OTTBs rule, but spots are good too!

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            • #7
              Jeeze, I had no idea this bit was not legal. Thanks for the heads up and I will be switching mine just in case. I have used it, my trainer has used it, and many others I know have used it with no issue but I will also give them a heads up.

              Couldn't you just superglue the middle piece?
              I am on my phone 90% of the time. Please ignore typos, misplaced lower case letters, and the random word butchered by autocowreck.

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              • #8
                Is this bit legal?

                The bit is not legal. All but one of the bits that scubed posted links to are legal. There is no likelyhood that any roller bit other than the one currently approved for Eventing Dressage will become legal.
                Malcolm

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by msghook View Post
                  The bit is not legal. All but one of the bits that scubed posted links to are legal. There is no likelyhood that any roller bit other than the one currently approved for Eventing Dressage will become legal.
                  Malcolm
                  Is there a reason there is such a disparity in knowledge about this bit among TDs? I've been berated by competitors in the past for calling the TD on these bits and had the TD shrug it off without even looking at it him/herself. It seems like a lot of competitors are getting away with using these bits...I wonder what happens to them when they finally run into a TD who won't allow it.
                  "Last time I picked your feet, you broke my toe!"

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                  • #10
                    When they run into a TD who won't allow it, they go on at length about how they have been using it for years, including at upper level events and it must be legal and they didn't even realize the middle piece was supposed to roll and why has no one ever told them it was not legal.

                    More annoying was when I was volunteering as bit check, told someone it was illegal and she wanted to see the TD. This person (large R eventing TD), said "it's fine". So, that is certainly part of the problem.
                    OTTBs rule, but spots are good too!

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                    • #11
                      I wonder if Happy Mouth could be petitioned to make a version that doesn't roll? I love this bit as well and my horse goes better in it than the other versions of the HM.
                      No Trouble
                      2/2/05 - 7/29/13
                      Rest In Peace my quirky brave boy, I will love you forever.

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                      • #12
                        What I don't understand is why this is legal- http://www.bitofbritain.com/Herm_Spr.../2031-rent.htm

                        But the Happy Mouth in question isn't. They are both double jointed and both have a rolling object in the middle to encourage a soft mouth. This HS was actually what I wanted to try for Vernon if I had decided to keep competing him, as he loved the snaffle I have that had a big copper roller in the middle (which was also illegal for dressage).

                        I'm just confused by what's kosher and what isn't when the principle is the same.
                        Amanda

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                        • #13
                          I believe this mouthpiece is legal, as the middle piece turns (independent side action) but does not rotate? As another option.

                          http://www.horsemart.co.uk/happy_mou.../advert/210042

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by yellowbritches View Post
                            What I don't understand is why this is legal- http://www.bitofbritain.com/Herm_Spr.../2031-rent.htm

                            But the Happy Mouth in question isn't. They are both double jointed and both have a rolling object in the middle to encourage a soft mouth. This HS was actually what I wanted to try for Vernon if I had decided to keep competing him, as he loved the snaffle I have that had a big copper roller in the middle (which was also illegal for dressage).

                            I'm just confused by what's kosher and what isn't when the principle is the same.
                            I am with you on the confusion... they seem perfectly comparable. But I'm of the camp that any bit that is designed to be *soft* in the horse's mouth should generally be legal.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by yellowbritches View Post
                              What I don't understand is why this is legal- http://www.bitofbritain.com/Herm_Spr.../2031-rent.htm

                              But the Happy Mouth in question isn't. They are both double jointed and both have a rolling object in the middle to encourage a soft mouth. This HS was actually what I wanted to try for Vernon if I had decided to keep competing him, as he loved the snaffle I have that had a big copper roller in the middle (which was also illegal for dressage).

                              I'm just confused by what's kosher and what isn't when the principle is the same.
                              The Sprenger WH center does not roll. This is the bit I use (except the middle part is rubber).

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                              • #16
                                Originally posted by Carried Away View Post
                                I wonder if Happy Mouth could be petitioned to make a version that doesn't roll? I love this bit as well and my horse goes better in it than the other versions of the HM.
                                I have one with a middle piece that does not roll. At least I don't think it rolls! Off I go to the barn tonight to take a better look at it. I would not have known that a rolling piece makes it not legal.

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                                • #17
                                  Originally posted by kcmel View Post
                                  The Sprenger WH center does not roll. This is the bit I use (except the middle part is rubber).
                                  The center disk in the WH does indeed roll.

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                                  • #18
                                    Yep. That disc most certainly does roll. I have one and was playing with it after I posted my question.
                                    Amanda

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                                    • #19
                                      Odd. The WH ultrasoft that I have does not roll.

                                      http://www.smartpakequine.com/herm-s...ing-7106p.aspx

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                                      • #20
                                        The WH Ultrasoft has a totally different center piece than the WH Ultra.

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