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    I am competing at an event next weekend where the new 2008 USEF Dress Code Rule EV 113.8 will be in effect. Since all three phases of the event are on one day, a competitor can ride all three phases in a white or conservative color, long or short sleeve shirt, with collar (No jacket required in dressage or stadium).

    What colors are considered conservative? I ride XC in a navy polo, is that okay, or do I need to wear a light color? If not, what about a medium charcoal grey?

    Thanks!

  • #2
    Generally when coats are waived, I view "conservative" as white, or a pale solid color shirt. I don't remember a rule specifically requesting "light" colors, but I don't remember seeing a dark shirt in dressage or sj.

    However, at a one-day things are often more relaxed. Especially when xc is scheduled immediately (15min) after SJ, everyone will be wearing their xc colors (blue, green, orange, whatever). I still prefer to "dress up" for dressage, then change into xc polo.
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    • #3
      For a SJ shirt I'd go with a color/pattern that would normally "work" with your hunt coat. In other words, light, no pattern or only a very, very subtle one..
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      • #4
        Unfortunately, conservative varies depending upon the beliefs of the officials at the event. I officiated at an event where another official and I disagreed on what colors are considered conservative. She felt that black was not conservative. I felt that if black was not conservative, then why are our formal dressage and show jumping jackets predominantly black?

        The best thing to do is find the TD or PGJ when you first arrive on grounds and show him/her the shirt in question. Be sure to take a solid white spare just in case he/she disapproves your original choice.
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        • #5
          I saw someone yesterday at an event which was not one day wearing a light pale lavender shirt for stadium. I thought it looked nice.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by piaffeprincess98 View Post
            I saw someone yesterday at an event which was not one day wearing a light pale lavender shirt for stadium. I thought it looked nice.
            It DID look nice.

            You can NEVER go wrong with white.
            Amanda

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            • #7
              I normally wear a lavender shirt for show jumping, but at most one days, if it is casual, conservative wear, I may even wear my black full seats and a polo that looks classy with it, like white.

              A friend of mine converted from upper level eventing to upper level dressage. She always used white polos for her dressage lessons with a particular Intl. trainer and competitor that she trained with... until one day... She dug up her old YR colour polos from our area (teal). She proudly wore her standard black full seats, but this time opted to wear her YR shirt and polos, for which she was told to, "NEVER waste my time with foolish colours and ALWAYS wear simple black and white". We got a good giggle out of that, as many dressage queens are simply too stuffy and need to lighten up a bit.

              However, I like the advice of taking a few options and asking the TD or whomever is in charge. Even calling the show secretary in advance is an excellent option. Perhaps you can even ride in half chaps and paddock boots.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by canterlope View Post
                Unfortunately, conservative varies depending upon the beliefs of the officials at the event. I officiated at an event where another official and I disagreed on what colors are considered conservative. She felt that black was not conservative. I felt that if black was not conservative, then why are our formal dressage and show jumping jackets predominantly black?

                The best thing to do is find the TD or PGJ when you first arrive on grounds and show him/her the shirt in question. Be sure to take a solid white spare just in case he/she disapproves your original choice.

                Thank you Canterlope!! This is exactly why I dislike the wording of this rule. It leaves too much open to individual officials' preference or interpretation, and causes a *lot* of confusion for competitors. Why not just list the colors allowed? Eg: neutrals (white, beige, cream); or pale colors including pastels; or neutrals, pastels, and dark colors such as hunter, navy, royal, black and burgundy. Or WHATEVER, just please tell us so we know!

                And I don't think that having the shirt tucked in is anywhere in the rule.

                Or wearing a belt! (What if you happen to be wearing breeches that have no belt loops, as is the case with some makes?) I cringed when I heard *that* requirement over the loudpeaker at a recent event! I thought, "Great, now officals are making up apparel requirements on the spur of the moment".

                Until the rule is better worded, I agree with Canterlope: Either wear a white or beige shirt, or ask the TD beforehand. And bring a belt.

                Like we don't have enough *clearly stated* rules to worry about!!! The rules are getting a bit like the weather in certain climes: if you don't like it, just wait a few hours and it'll change! ;->> GRRRRR
                Yvonne Lucas
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                • #9
                  I thought the new rule this year was that white or a very light color polo was fine for all 3 phases in a one day. I can't find it anywhere though.

                  I definitely would not wear black. I saw someone last weekend get admonished by the judge for it.

                  White just always seems like the best choice for dressage and stadium.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by yventer View Post
                    And I don't think that having the shirt tucked in is anywhere in the rule.

                    Or wearing a belt! (What if you happen to be wearing breeches that have no belt loops, as is the case with some makes?)
                    Nothing about a belt. But
                    8. At Eventing Tests or when all three phases of a Horse Trials are contested over one
                    day - Protective headgear and protective vests as above. Clothing as appropriate for the
                    test in progress (see below), or at the competitor’s option - boots, britches, spurs and
                    gloves - as applicable for the test being performed. Long or short sleeved shirt with collar
                    and without neckwear, of a conservative color, neatly tucked into riding breeches.
                    Janet

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                    • #11
                      At DRHT last May, a competitor was taken to task by the TD (after stadium; jackets had been waived) for not having her shirt tucked into her breeches; I was standing there, so heard the whole exchange! (And knew this competitor; I had actually mentioned to her that she should probably have tucked her shirt in, and also that Gegi Winslett--the stadium judge--was known for admonishing riders for not wearing belts in stadium when jackets had been waived. The competitor pointed out that she had no belt loops on her breeches!)

                      The TD took the rule book out and pointed out the passage that Janet provided

                      I asked the TD about the belt requirement, and she said there was no rule on that one (obviously GeGi's personal preference), but that "not having belt loops was no excuse for an untucked shirt"...

                      And yeah, I agree with yeventer--why not have the requirements for shirt color just spelled out in the rule book??

                      One of my students wore a black polo into dressage warmup at DRHT last weekend, and I persuaded her to put a jacket and stock tie over it, even though the TD had "okayed" it as a "conservative color"...but I wasn't willing to take the chance that the dressage judge would be okay with it at a recognized HT :-/

                      Yes, IMO these things need to be standardized and clarified!!!
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                      • #12
                        Janet says:

                        Nothing about a belt. But

                        Quote:
                        8. At Eventing Tests or when all three phases of a Horse Trials are contested over one
                        day - Protective headgear and protective vests as above. Clothing as appropriate for the
                        test in progress (see below), or at the competitor’s option - boots, britches, spurs and
                        gloves - as applicable for the test being performed. Long or short sleeved shirt with collar
                        and without neckwear, of a conservative color, >> neatly tucked into riding breeches. <<

                        (emphasis mine)


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                        Oops! Thanks, Janet! I guess I'd better go read the rulebook *again*! ;->
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                        • #13
                          Or we could all go to an event boycotting all solid colors. Leopard print britches and lime green polka dots on a pastel blue background polo (untucked, of course). Hot orange gloves and spurs with diamonds on the sides.

                          Wonder what the judges would do!

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                          • #14
                            Leopard print britches and lime green polka dots on a pastel blue background polo (untucked, of course). Hot orange gloves and spurs with diamonds on the sides.
                            I believe I've seen that rider doing unrecognized shows around here . . .
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by deltawave View Post
                              I believe I've seen that rider doing unrecognized shows around here . . .
                              Or the girl on a chestnut in blaze orange for cross country last weekend. Sharon White does it tastefully (still not sure how...) but man my eyes were bleeding.

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                              • #16
                                It is hard to specify everything in the rules and not every shirt that works under a jacket works without for every judge. For example, several brands (kerrits, arista, romfph) do the white front shirt with pink or blue backs. When I've asked judges, some have said they do consider those conservative and some not, so I've gone to a white polo shirt if wearing tan breeches and a light blue if wearing white breeches (this would be if jackets are waived by the ground jury at an event where dressage is on a separate day, otherwise, I rarely wear white breeches. When I do, I don't like a white shirt with no jacket). And never mind the judges, my trainer is totally on the tidy, conservative, tucked in, definitely a belt, and minimal bling program
                                OTTBs rule, but spots are good too!

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                                • #17
                                  Why do they use the word "britches" and in the same rule, use "breeches".
                                  And define "neatly tucked". Why not just say "worn inside the breeches".
                                  I have seen t-shirts, flapping ties, rolled up sleeves, dark green polos, just pullover shirts without collars, no-sleeve polos all worn in recognized competitions without penalty some by professionals with more than one horse, in the ring numerous times.
                                  I have seen white, striped, pink, purple, tan, dark green, navy, blue, and even patterned (pastel).
                                  Conservative would be solid colors in traditional shades which would NOT include pastels. Light conservative would be white or tan. Dark conservative would be dark blue, black, or brown. (YUCK. I would look positively awful in any color but the tan I guess.)
                                  I have a nice pair of breeches that are meant to be worn without a belt and do not have belt loops, fasten on the side, and fit better than any of my other conventionally designed ones. If you do not have belt loops, a belt is just an accessory and inappropriate I think. Because of my shape a belt is often uncomfortable.
                                  These rules are ridiculous. Why not use the English language and make it clear.
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                                  • #18
                                    I like a polo... and black is a neutral and thus should be considered "conservative". Go with a light pastel, a white or off-white with beige, yellow or light grey breeches. Can't go wrong. I personally hate the look of tucked in without a belt, so my show breeches have belt loops, and a nice belt to go with.

                                    I also like the look of a ratchatcher. A light blouse is always more cool than a thick polo or even some of those high tech show shirts. What's more breathable than a light cotton??? I wear a light french blue for show jumping and I would not hesitate to wear that if jackets were waived.

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                                    • #19
                                      Originally posted by piaffeprincess98 View Post
                                      I saw someone yesterday at an event which was not one day wearing a light pale lavender shirt for stadium. I thought it looked nice.
                                      I've done pale lavender too. I must have asked 50 people if they thought it was conservative first though

                                      If you don't comment on my leg you can look at a pic (last fence of my first horse trials.) The shirt has a white collar and cuffs - I love it! (White european stock tie for dressage.) I have also learned to better contain my hair since then too...

                                      http://good-times.webshots.com/photo...00187715BQGgwx

                                      The rule is very open to interpretation as I don't think purple is often considered conservative...

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                                      • #20
                                        But remember that if you are not wearing a jacket, you can't wear neckware, so no collar with the ratcatcher type shirt (I do sometimes wear mine with the first button open).
                                        OTTBs rule, but spots are good too!

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