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Build the Perfect Ammie Eventing Horse

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  • #21
    Okay Heinz. Now I want your guy too. Sigh. I just can't deny a good OTTB. They are some of the kindest, hardest working animals I've ever had the pleasure to be around. I just wish that myguy had a bit more substance to him! That may come from growing up around cow horses, but I like a horse to be solid!
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    • #22
      BFNE - You are lucky to have an EASY KEEPING TB, with tons of substance and excellent huge/quality hooves/feet. Gorgeous liver/dark chestnut!!!! Thanks for sharing.

      Most I've known are higher-maintainance and harder-keepers - but love the athleticism, willingness, and true people-loving-try-to-please-you personality of the TB (and they can't be beat for the gallop!)

      I love the comments on some Connemara blood and even the old-style-Appy blood!! (for this fun, "made up mix" thread) The true old-Appies did have legs and feet of iron and were indestructable. Today's Appies on the breed circuit look and move just like QH's and Paints. Not that it's right or wrong, just different than the true old-style Appy.

      Since this is a fun thread, I think we all know you can't ever generalize a "breed" - as there are so many individuals and varieties within each breed....yes, there are stereotypes, but there are always exceptions!

      BTW - what breed or mix was Snowman? Did it say in the book?
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      • #23
        Originally posted by Fancy That View Post

        BTW - what breed or mix was Snowman? Did it say in the book?
        If I remember correctly he was believed to be part Percheron part TB. I could be wrong on the draft part, but I believe he had a bit of TB blood.
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        • #24
          Heinz, I want your horse too. Are you sure he's not a Percheron or Cleveland Bay in disguise? His legs are awesome.

          Do you know his breeding?
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          • #25
            When I was a kid I rode a Conn/TB who was wonderful--she was my trainer's foxhunter but took me around novice. Definitely forward, but very cool. IIRC she had a baby by Epic Win that went on to be a $$ show hunter.

            My first event horse was part App. He raced on the QH track and I think was registered appendix? He was awesome and I loved his personality but he wasn't extremely sound--ringbone, I think.


            • #26
              Full TB is my preference too, none of mine have been hot house flowers... just now begrudgingly put fronts on my one mare. She had a crack when I got her that was almost out but the weird weather and flies made it crack higher again... so I gave up. But she grows good hoof, not shelly or flakey at all and I have never seen her foot sore at all. But as a total Ammy I prefer a more forward horse, so all personal preference. But they are really all I look at and am interested in.

              Second picks would be an App x TB (Wap bloodlines!), Conn x TB, or an Appendix QH. Of those the App would be my favorite for sure. I will never forget this awesome App mare I had the ride on in college, always wished I bought her. 15.3, so solid, would have made a great eventer.


              • #27
                Originally posted by bornfreenowexpensive View Post
                Fancy That...that is your experience....I've known enough full TBs that had tons of substance and good feet. This is my current mare....she has more than enough substance for me and great feet. Good mover, and powerful jump. She will go to the highest levels of what ever sport I want. And she is an easy keeper too boot. She is also an OTTB.

                Here she is just starting over fences. May not be a total packer...but she is an ammy ride to me (since I'm an ammy and I ride her )
                She is STUNNING! And nice choice of music


                • #28
                  My idea of a perfect mix? Hmm, let's start with a turf TB, toss in some foundation QH, and add a dash of Morgan. Should be a horse with athleticism and a heck of a lot of brains with a sense of humor. Can't beat a QH or a Morgan for pure brains and forgiving attitude.

                  Another way of looking at it would be an Appendix QH (with appropriate sized feet, harder to find) crossed with a Morgan. Probably just a 1/4 Morgan and 3/4 Appendix. With ammies, I'm looking for brains and forgiving attitude more than any other feature.

                  Hopefully the Morgan tail will show up, too. We had one in the barn that had enough tail for THREE horses.

                  Of course, the two horses I've owned have both been TBs (one honkin' huge turf horse and one delicate little sprinter), but I've been told I have particular tastes.
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                  • #29
                    Originally posted by vineyridge View Post
                    Heinz, I want your horse too. Are you sure he's not a Percheron or Cleveland Bay in disguise? His legs are awesome.

                    Do you know his breeding?
                    He's by Personal Flag, out of a Pleasant Colony daughter, Mythical Bird (whose damsire happens to be Northern Dancer). All the PC offspring I've seen to date have had the same signature bone and build (and brain, I hear). I'd love to have another, if I could find one. Nice movers, too.

                    I have to argue with strangers on a regular basis that he IS NOT a warmblood. Maybe it's his size, I don't know, but he still looks like a TB to me.

                    ETA: RedHandedJill, your guy has potential to be a beefcake! Throw in some topline and a little more rear end and he'll be a chunk!


                    • #30
                      We're working on it Heinz! That picture was taken about a month back into work after about 4 years off. He's gaining muscle really nicely I think
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                      • #31
                        Originally posted by retreadeventer View Post
                        None smarter. None more athletic, trainable, loving a rider no matter what, forgiving, capable. I wouldn't mix anything. I would find a horse already bred for five centuries to perform.
                        My sentiments exactly, retread. I couldn't say it better.

                        For the record,there is nothing wrong with TB feet. Unfortunately the way they are trimmed and shod at the track (long toes/underslung heels) is horrible, but believe me - they don't start out that way.

                        The farm next door to me has TB race horses, they run barefoot, and their feet look great.
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                        • #32
                          Fred, if I ever got my hands on a Pleasant Colony-bred mare, I would love to put her with your boy and see what kind of magic is produced.


                          • #33
                            I have a WB (a light version of the hannovarian) crossed with an Appy. He is awesome but hard to keep fit - he is a little heavy and I am used to TBs that seem so easy to get fit.

                            I love the TBs I have had though I have to say that some take on the emotions of the riders and some need a rider to be super quiet - so it depends on the rider.

                            I have a connemara cross that is GREAT cross country.

                            And I have another Appy that is coming along - he is a pony but he has great athletic ability and though he is forward moving - he takes leg and I am anticipating him being a super safe horse when he is trained up.

                            I just got a pregnant mare - sort of a weird situation and she gave birth to a colt that is the best looking foal I have ever gotten to see in person and I cant believe I own him. Mom is a big moving Arabian - not a deer like mover but a big - huge moving 14.1 hand heavy boned arabian. And the father is an appendix. This foal is over a month old and I have never seen a foal look so balanced and his shoulder is so great - his neck put on just right - his neck is SLIGHTLY short which I love for jumping but naturally high set and he likes to round through his whole topline and strike off into canter from the halt all the time. So - Arab-TB-QH I am thinking is possibly a nice prospect. HIs dad is 16 hands and I cant believe it but he's only about a foot shorter than mom already at little over a month. =0


                            • #34
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                              • #35
                                I am really excited about my two babies - exactly what I wanted - out of a trak/tb mare that had movement to die for by my swedish wb cross - - full siblings with size, 1/8 clyde, warmblood movement and tb speed.


                                • #36
                                  I think I have the perfect cross... Half Selle Francais, Half TB. She got a nice big body and legs from both parents, good feet that just now got shoes for the first time 5, a bit of the easy going dumblood forgiving attitude from her selle francais daddy, but a forward disposition from her TB momma. She goes trail riding, packs kids around, and jumps whatever I point her at. Still working on the dressage stuff, but we've got time...


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                                  • #37
                                    I'm partial to the tb/draft crosses, as that is what my girl is, but I do agree that it can go either wonderful or terrible. My girl is 1/4 Belgian, 3/4 TB and she has been the perfect ammy horse for me. She's very light and quick on her feet from her TB roots, but has a much more solid build that personally gives me more comfort. Her feet are fantastic and she (knock on wood) has never had leg problems after 17 years of relatively steady work.

                                    From my experience, personally, the full tb's tend to have a tad bit too much excitement and a few too many problems from the track to make perfect ammy mounts. Not saying that is true is every case, as I have met several wonderful tb's, but that is just my experience. My mare has struggled a bit from the aftermath of a freak accident when she was young, but overall she has been totally sound, incredibly sane, very level-headed, and super careful about taking care of "her kid." (is it obvious that I love my horse? )


                                    • #38
                                      Originally posted by Heinz 57 View Post
                                      He's by Personal Flag, out of a Pleasant Colony daughter, Mythical Bird (whose damsire happens to be Northern Dancer). All the PC offspring I've seen to date have had the same signature bone and build (and brain, I hear). I'd love to have another, if I could find one. Nice movers, too.

                                      I have to argue with strangers on a regular basis that he IS NOT a warmblood. Maybe it's his size, I don't know, but he still looks like a TB to me.

                                      ETA: RedHandedJill, your guy has potential to be a beefcake! Throw in some topline and a little more rear end and he'll be a chunk!
                                      My guy is a PC grandbaby, too. He's not for every ammy, that's for sure, but I adore him. He was barefoot in back until he started jumping around Training, and I took off the back shoes when I got him until recently because the collected work was a bit too much for them.

                                      But yeah, the PC babies I've seen can move...


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                                      • #39
                                        Originally posted by chestnutwithchrome View Post
                                        I think I have the perfect cross... Half Selle Francais, Half TB.
                                        This is my half SF filly. Bit young to tell what sort of eventer she will be but her dam is half sister to Rock on Rose so I'm hopeful

                                        But I didn't bred her for an ammy ride......still...she is totally my type of horse too!

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                                        • #40
                                          I really do love my connemara/tb but as a young horse I would not at all call him an ammy ride. He is hotter than all my ottb's He has melllowed with age which is a great thing but that pony brain can work against you at times.

                                          It would be a full ottb for me as well. I have been involved with Tb's my whole life and in general I find them to be tougher and sounder than other breeds. I don't buy into the bad feet thing either. Even those who come from the track with crappy feet (low heels/long toes) can be fixed.

                                          I'm a rider that likes a horse that can do it all- hunt, event, jumpers, dressage, paper chase and trail ride. My Tb's have been excellent for the above mentioned jobs. My current horse is Letterman's Humor a very tough stakes horse who retired sound at age 8 from the track. He has amazing feet and lovely bone. He is brave, athletic, good mover, good jumper and just plain fun. I can gallop him flat out up hills on a paper chase and drop the reins and walk on the buckle the next. He took right to hunting. Loves xc. Dressage..well that is a work in progress but he has the ability for it He is also fat as can be and lives on timothy and a ration balancer.

                                          I am also constantly impressed by the quality of horses that come through CANTER MA that I retrain. I have two right now and they are just a blast. The one horse is a 4yr and my god is he game out xc. He is a solid guy, easy keeper, big feet, great mind, brave, willing and athletic. He just wants to jump the jumps and that is all that I can ask for right now.

                                          The other is a huge 16.3 7yr that looks like a warmblood. He has huge bone and big feet. What a great mind and he shows so much potential.