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  • London 2012: Greenwich Park is 'waterlogged'

    Lord Coe issues a wear-your-wellies advisory.

    London 2012 Olympics: bring wellington boots if you're going to equestrian or rowing events

    “This is proving quite a challenge to us," he said. "We've got waterlogged sites, we've got resurfacing taking place, particularly in some of our more sensitive sites, our more rural sites.

    (...)

    Both rowing and equestrianism have spare days built into their schedules in case poor weather causes the cancellation of competition.

    “We do have contingencies,” said Coe. “We have got the contingency of extra days available to us in rowing and equestrian sport as a last resort
    Not quite as confident as they were last week.

  • #2
    I would not worry as Greenwhich actually drains well and a few days without rain and you can bet they will be watering the site!!!

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    • #3
      Sure. Trust the limeys to give you a mudbowl for an Olympic three-day...
      Proud & Permanent Student Of The Long Road
      Read me: EN (http://eventingnation.com/author/annemarch/) and HJU (http://horsejunkiesunited.com/author/holly-covey/)

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      • #4
        Trust the Septics to complain about it....

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        • #5
          Bring yer Wellies!
          Thus do we growl that our big toes have, at this moment, been thrown up from below!

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          • #6
            Actually, the forecast is for drier conditions. It is sunny and breezy right now and the ground is drying out fast in just one day.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by snoopy View Post
              Actually, the forecast is for drier conditions. It is sunny and breezy right now and the ground is drying out fast in just one day.
              Ah, the infinite plucky optimism of the Brits.

              How does it go.."Once more into the breech...", "We will fight on the land, we will fight on the sea...", "One dry day and all will be well"

              you've made a believer out of me and I do hope they can run on schedule, I've kept my schedule open to watch on the internet from...well lets just say an undisclosed location that is not my house.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by JP60 View Post
                Ah, the infinite plucky optimism of the Brits.

                How does it go.."Once more into the breech...", "We will fight on the land, we will fight on the sea...", "One dry day and all will be well"

                you've made a believer out of me and I do hope they can run on schedule, I've kept my schedule open to watch on the internet from...well lets just say an undisclosed location that is not my house.

                One has to have optimism...it is the only thing we have.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by snoopy View Post
                  One has to have optimism...it is the only thing we have.
                  well that and rain, both you have in buckets

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                  • #10
                    The annual rainfall of the State of Georgia is twice that of the UK.,

                    In round figures;
                    UK = 24"
                    GA = 48"

                    http://www.currentresults.com/Weathe...on-by-city.php
                    I think of the major cities in the US, only Vegas, Denver, and LA have less.

                    2012 so far for London; http://nw3weather.co.uk/wxhist12.php?year=2012

                    Brits just talk about it more.
                    Last edited by Equibrit; Jul. 17, 2012, 03:58 PM.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Equibrit View Post
                      The annual rainfall of the State of Georgia is twice that of the UK.,

                      In round figures;
                      UK = 24"
                      GA = 48"

                      Brits just talk about it more.


                      exactly....This year was odd indeed but it does not rain as much as people think it does.

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                      • #12
                        Olympic equestrian team says Greenwich is ready for rain

                        Charlotte White, H&H deputy news editor
                        13 July, 2012

                        As rain continues to fall across the UK — and with more forecast — it could be a soggy experience for anyone going to London 2012.

                        But the Olympic equestrian team is confident rain will not stop play in Greenwich.

                        “Greenwich has very freely draining turf, more so than many other horse trials sites,” said Tim Hadaway, the equestrian competition manager for the 2012 Games.

                        “Our work for the past two years has been in trying to keep moisture in the ground.”


                        Mr Hadaway told H&H that when Badminton Horse Trials was cancelled in April, he went around the London course with turf specialist, the Sports Turf Research Institute.


                        It told him that, despite all the rain, it would only take seven days of dry weather before they would have to irrigate again.


                        “That rain — we had 60 or 70mm in a couple of days — allowed them to identify any areas of standing water, which needed further work. These guys know every inch of the course,” he said.


                        However, if the rain continues to fall, wellingtons may be sensible wear on cross-country day, because 50,000 people on the course might cause a few pinch points to become muddy.


                        But Mr Hadaway said these can be fenced off if necessary.


                        “I feel we have done everything possible to design risk out of the site and mitigate all possible issues,” he said.


                        General venue manager Jeremy Edwards said a spare day — 1 August — has been worked into the equestrian timetable, to be used if the rain causes delays to eventing.


                        FEI rules state “competitions must not take place in extreme weather conditions, if the welfare or safety of the horse may be compromised”.


                        The ground jury can halt a competition in such conditions.


                        But spectator tickets will remain valid for the event — even if it is rescheduled.


                        This news story was first published in the current issue of H&H (12 July 2012
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                          #13
                          But Equibrit, Lord Coe's 'waterlogged' statement comes four days after that H&H report.

                          I suspect there's some CYA going on here -- and we may see some changes made. Greenwich Park was, for a number of reasons, always a controversial choice of venue.

                          To me, this is starting to sound like Vancouver 2010 and some of the adaptations made to fit reality. The snowboarding events were held at Cypress Mountain in Vancouver, not at Whistler. There were many reasons why this wasn't a good idea, from lack of snow to poor access to a lack of food and facilites. The first event was a rainy disaster compounded by a lack of toilets. After that the Van OC abruptly 'cancelled' thousands for tickets for the rest of the events at Cypress. There was some kind of official bogus 'safety' reason but everyone knew the real reason was the venue had proven to be overwhelmingly inappropriate.

                          I'm wondering if the back-pedaling on Greenwich is the first step in a similar realization, especially with all the opposition to the use of this historic park for Olympic events, as well as the recent G4S Olympic security debacle.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Equibrit View Post
                            The annual rainfall of the State of Georgia is twice that of the UK.,

                            In round figures;
                            UK = 24"
                            GA = 48"
                            But I bet England has more "rainy days" than Georgia.

                            Everyone keeps apologizing to us about the weather, but there have only been two days it really affected us-

                            Saturday a week ago when the A-35 between Dorchester and Bridport flooded, and the B&B in Bridport was flooded.

                            Yesterday when we went to Dover castle, and the combination of wind and rain was pretty nasty.

                            The other days, the rain has not been a problem.
                            Janet

                            chief feeder and mucker for Music, Spy, Belle and Tiara. Someone else is now feeding and mucking for Chief and Brain (both foxhunting now).

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by snoopy View Post
                              One has to have optimism...it is the only thing we have.
                              And some great eventers and horses!

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                              • #16
                                huh? The page you posted is specifically about Hampstead - one small part of the UK - a London suburb.

                                London, being in the southeast is relatively dry - so how on earth you take that as a UK average is beyond me.

                                Also, not sure what data you're reading from that page but if you switch to imperial you will see cumulative rainfall for year to date is 16.44 inches - so lets say 30 inches for the year - for pretty much the driest part of the UK. I'm sure Snoopy'll point out that the Scilly isles are drier - but you get my point.

                                Average rain in the UK (as a whole this year) is about 25"

                                If you want ACTUAL stats instead of one weather station in one part of the UK compare the Met office, you'll see that the wettest place is the UK (169mm in June) was considerably more than Hampstead (116mm) - and in fact the Hampstead stats are not representative.

                                http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/news/rel...2/wettest-June

                                Here are some overall stats:
                                Summary for 2012
                                Rainfall (mm):
                                Total for year 628.5
                                Wettest day 63.3 day 22/06
                                High rain rate 36.0 day 03/03
                                Rain days 111

                                628.5mm is 24.74 inches - which is a year total of 48 inches. Just a little more than Hampstead.

                                But you're right. In the greater scheme of things Greenwich is near Hampstead, it'd just be nice if you didn't confuse the whole of the UK with one poxy bit.

                                Sorry for getting in the way with actual data.
                                We like to complain about the weather, but at least using facts, you might also like to consider hours of daylight - we get much less rain than monsoon countries. It's just we get it all day, pretty much every day at the moment.

                                Carry on.

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                                • #17
                                  At least it won't be 1000 degrees like other olympics

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                                  • #18
                                    For the geographically challenged - here is Hampstead: https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=Ham...ngdom&t=m&z=10

                                    PooPoo - you could be right there! Unfortunately though wet ground causes more injuries than hard, particularly for horses used to the hard... Fingers crossed we do get the predicted dry spell

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                                    • #19
                                      Originally posted by snoopy View Post
                                      Trust the Septics to complain about it....
                                      Now look here. I referred to a piece of fruit, and you had to be potty mouth?

                                      (Lest anyone get an IDEA....I am of course completely kidding. Maybe.) I do blame the British for some things, but one can hardly blame them for too much rain. It's not their fault God thinks they are dirty and need to be WASHED....
                                      Proud & Permanent Student Of The Long Road
                                      Read me: EN (http://eventingnation.com/author/annemarch/) and HJU (http://horsejunkiesunited.com/author/holly-covey/)

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                                      • #20
                                        Originally posted by Doodlebug1 View Post
                                        huh? The page you posted is specifically about Hampstead - one small part of the UK - a London suburb.
                                        Hampstead is about 12 miles from Greenwich.(as the crow flies)

                                        London, being in the southeast is relatively dry - so how on earth you take that as a UK average is beyond me.
                                        I did not.

                                        Also, not sure what data you're reading from that page but if you switch to imperial you will see cumulative rainfall for year to date is 16.44 inches - so lets say 30 inches for the year - for pretty much the driest part of the UK. I'm sure Snoopy'll point out that the Scilly isles are drier - but you get my point.
                                        No shit

                                        Average rain in the UK (as a whole this year) is about 25"

                                        If you want ACTUAL stats instead of one weather station in one part of the UK compare the Met office, you'll see that the wettest place is the UK (169mm in June) was considerably more than Hampstead (116mm) - and in fact the Hampstead stats are not representative. They are for that area.

                                        http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/news/rel...2/wettest-June

                                        Here are some overall stats:
                                        Summary for 2012
                                        Rainfall (mm):
                                        Total for year 628.5
                                        Wettest day 63.3 day 22/06
                                        High rain rate 36.0 day 03/03
                                        Rain days 111

                                        628.5mm is 24.74 inches - which is a year total of 48 inches. Just a little more than Hampstead.

                                        But you're right. In the greater scheme of things Greenwich is near Hampstead, it'd just be nice if you didn't confuse the whole of the UK with one poxy bit.

                                        I think you took care of that.

                                        Sorry for getting in the way with actual data.
                                        We like to complain about the weather, but at least using facts, you might also like to consider hours of daylight - we get much less rain than monsoon countries. It's just we get it all day, pretty much every day at the moment.

                                        Carry on.
                                        Sorry for pointing out that the UK does not have the significantly huge amounts of rainfall imagined by septics. Now, maybe you could just bog off. (I think most people here can manage the sums, thankyou)
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