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  • Why no first halt at X in eventing tests?

    I went to a straight dressage schooling show yesterday to tune up some things, and while I was memorizing my tests, I had to constantly remind myself to put in the first halt.

    Does anyone know why eventing tests don't incorporate that first halt? Did they at one point and it's vanished? Have dressage tests always had that halt?
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    Eventing tests starting at Prelim B do incorporate a halt at X in the first movement.

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      Yes, eventing tests did have them, but they went away sometime in the past 10-15 years. I don't remember exactly when. IIRC correctly, the why was that for young horses and fit eventing horses that stop right at the beginning of the test could make them very tense and be very difficult, so it was removed at the lower levels.
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      • #4
        They used to be there.

        So glad they are not any longer. I think it makes FAR more sense to not have them at the lower levels. Since a lot of horses are green at those levels, they need to be encouraged to keep their forward thinking. I think it helps riders to keep thinking about forward and rhythm, as well. I will never comprehend why pure dressage tests have them at every level, including intro...
        Amanda

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        • #5
          Originally posted by scubed View Post
          Yes, eventing tests did have them, but they went away sometime in the past 10-15 years. I don't remember exactly when. IIRC correctly, the why was that for young horses and fit eventing horses that stop right at the beginning of the test could make them very tense and be very difficult, so it was removed at the lower levels.
          I was still halting at training in 2003. The next batch of tests to come out after that no longer had them.
          Amanda

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          • #6
            IMHO, same reason as small arena and no halt within the test: Time
            Less time per test = more tests per day per arena, per judge

            If any organizer would offer a division that would do the tests in a large arena I would gladly pay extra for it.

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            • #7
              I think it was removed in the interest of time, Scubed, to shorten the amount of time the tests took to complete. Next time you see Sally O'Connor, ask her, but that was the thinking from what I remember of a committee meeting or two that I attended back during that frame.....
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              • #8
                I believe it was to make the lower levels tests take less time to ride. They still get to judge a halt at the end. Maybe they were first done away with in the 2006 set of tests? I remember them vaguely before then below prelim.
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                • #9
                  I have heard several reasons

                  1. To make the tests shorter to make the day shorter.

                  2. To not ruin the forwardness garned by going into the ring on a greener horse and to create a nicer test.

                  3. Because the judges got tired of those crazy ass event horses doing their own two-legged salute.
                  Last edited by enjoytheride; Jul. 10, 2012, 07:04 AM.
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                  • #10
                    USDF Intro A currently has no initial halt, although all the others do.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by kerlin View Post
                      I went to a straight dressage schooling show yesterday to tune up some things, and while I was memorizing my tests, I had to constantly remind myself to put in the first halt.

                      Does anyone know why eventing tests don't incorporate that first halt? Did they at one point and it's vanished? Have dressage tests always had that halt?
                      'Cause everybody knows y'can't stop 'em anyway!

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by enjoytheride View Post
                        I have heard several reasons

                        1. To make the tests shorter to make the day shorter.

                        2. To not ruin the forwardness garned by going into the ring on a greener horse and to create a nicer test.

                        3. Because the judge's got tired of those crazy ass event horses doing their own two-legged salute.
                        Gee if that's the case, how about having the free walk at the very end of the test...I say judge the free walk on your way out!

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by joiedevie99 View Post
                          USDF Intro A currently has no initial halt, although all the others do.
                          And my poor mare got very confused when we rode Intro A as her first test post-rehab, and there was no halt! "Wait mom, I'm supposed to STOP, aren't I????"

                          Am planning to do eventing Novice level tests at schooling shows just for fun so we will be facing this issue again.
                          You have to have experiences to gain experience.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by enjoytheride View Post
                            I have heard several reasons

                            1. To make the tests shorter to make the day shorter.

                            2. To not ruin the forwardness garned by going into the ring on a greener horse and to create a nicer test.

                            3. Because the judge's got tired of those crazy ass event horses doing their own two-legged salute.
                            If you selected reason #2, you're a winner! The decision to remove the first halt wasn't to make the tests shorter, but rather to keep the horses going forward.
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                            • #15
                              Putting the tests in the small arena was to save time and be able to run more horses. Certainly removing the initial halt helped as well but was not the real reason as Canterlope mentioned. Now this is dating myself, but Training level and above use to be required to be run in the large arena.

                              Jackie

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                              • #16
                                Originally posted by yellowbritches View Post
                                They used to be there.

                                So glad they are not any longer. I think it makes FAR more sense to not have them at the lower levels. Since a lot of horses are green at those levels, they need to be encouraged to keep their forward thinking. I think it helps riders to keep thinking about forward and rhythm, as well. I will never comprehend why pure dressage tests have them at every level, including intro...
                                Maybe because a halt as the first movement is as much of a test as a round circle or a canter depart or any transition at a certain letter. The halt at X is more than just a slaute to the judge.

                                The eventing world decided that it was too hard a test for low level eventers, but the dressage people think it is a fair test that horses of every level should be able to perform.
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                                Charles Krauthammer speaking about Trump

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                                • #17
                                  Originally posted by SwampYankee View Post
                                  'Cause everybody knows y'can't stop 'em anyway!
                                  LOL!

                                  Seriously though, this is my first year riding Starter and they are in those tests. Previously (BN-Training) I'd never seen one.
                                  Last edited by Win1; Jul. 10, 2012, 04:54 PM. Reason: edited to add: yes I meant Starter, I know I'm going the wrong direction but being a new mommy does that:)

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                                  • #18
                                    Originally posted by Lord Helpus View Post
                                    Maybe because a halt as the first movement is as much of a test as a round circle or a canter depart or any transition at a certain letter. The halt at X is more than just a slaute to the judge.

                                    The eventing world decided that it was too hard a test for low level eventers, but the dressage people think it is a fair test that horses of every level should be able to perform.
                                    Then the eventing and dressage world will have to agree to disagree! I am all about establishing and keeping forward, and the last thing I want to do on a spooky, looky baby is halt before we ever even start the test, especially halting coming toward the horse eating judge's stand from hell. Seems like a far more fair way to introduce young horses to doing dressage tests.
                                    Amanda

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                                    • #19
                                      Lord Helpus "Maybe because a halt as the first movement is as much of a test as a round circle or a canter depart or any transition at a certain letter. The halt at X is more than just a slaute to the judge.

                                      The eventing world decided that it was too hard a test for low level eventers, but the dressage people think it is a fair test that horses of every level should be able to perform."

                                      Respectfully disagree. If the eventing world decided they are too hard a test for low level eventers, then why are they in every Starter test I've ridden?

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                                      • #20
                                        Originally posted by Lord Helpus View Post
                                        The eventing world decided that it was too hard a test for low level eventers, but the dressage people think it is a fair test that horses of every level should be able to perform.
                                        Not really.

                                        The eventing powers-that-were realized maybe 30 years ago that the dressage that eventers did should relate better to what is being asked of the same horses over fences and on XC. At that time they stopped using the dressage tests written by and for the dressage only crowd and started writing specific tests for eventing dressage. (This is why as you move up the levels the dressage in eventing doesn't match up with the level the same movements are asked in straight dressage.)

                                        Stopping is not one of those things we place a high value on over fences! Our horses are much more in a forward/going frame of mind and that is to our benefit over fences. Keeping that forward mind set in a horse already naturally inclined that way (an inclination more often lacking in warm blood dressage horses) is not just important in producing better dressage results, but in producing safer jumping results.

                                        It didn't hurt that it was the only movement asked for twice in the same test without a direction variant.

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