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Stupid ways to get "THE BIG E" ...or, weird rules you have broken......

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  • Stupid ways to get "THE BIG E" ...or, weird rules you have broken......

    I am helping out at the Area III camp this year, and am teaching rules to the BN/N competitors using some games and such.

    Have any of you ever been penalized for an obscure rule?

    Or, stories of "stupid things I've done that I didn't know were against the rules"?
  • Original Poster

    I am helping out at the Area III camp this year, and am teaching rules to the BN/N competitors using some games and such.

    Have any of you ever been penalized for an obscure rule?

    Or, stories of "stupid things I've done that I didn't know were against the rules"?


    • #3
      Yep..last weekend. If you fall in stadium you must remount and present to the next fence in 45 seconds. If you are past the 45 seconds you are eliminated. I could have gotten on faster if my horse was smaller and I was more flexible and wasn't so stunned that I fell in the first place
      BTW-if you knock the fence down and fall off. You still must be on in the 45 seconds and present to the fence. If they are not done building the fence they will blow the whistle on your approach. You can stop and then they will blow the whistle when you can start.


      • #4
        My only (as of yet) E was from jumping a stadium fence backward after getting lost on course. Not an obscure rule; just a brain fart.
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        • #5
          Hey Flight Check, just a thought, if you change the title of your post from "rules gurus" to "Stupid ways I've been E'd because I didn't know/forgot the rules" it might fry the BB with rapid fire responses...

          My only E was when I spent the first 45 seconds after falling off in stadium underneath my horse. Of course the technical question comes in as to whether was I actually E'd 44 seconds earlier when my horse fell. Technically his shoulders had not hit the ground because my body was serving as insulation from said ground.


          • #6
            I almost got an "E" at my 2nd-ever HT when I forgot which signal my ring was using to signal the rider to enter for dressage. I heard a bell, entered, and the very forgiving judge quickly blew her whistle, LOL! Ooops. I'm very grateful to her for being understanding--it was, after all, BN. I wouldn't expect the same leniency now, but it sure would've made me disappointed at that stage of the game!
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            • #7
              Well these are the ones I was petrified of breaking and getting the big E:

              leaving boots on for dressage
              I always brain fart about the combination rule if your horse refuses the b or c-part (so far I have not tested my memory under pressure) do you retake a and b or just b? I think the whole thing.

              Forget your medical arm band.

              One time a judge in stadium called me back to check my helmet, he could not see the clear harness, plus my years in the hunter ring may have given me a "certain look" (the hair over the ear thing)

              jump the warm-up of fence in the wrong direction.

              umm, the big olympic boo-boo, going through the start flags twice while executing a beautiful circle. That would be a hunter flashback for moi.

              or, not going through either the start or finish flags.

              Jump the wrong level while out xc and miss your level. (ie when a few are right next to each other)

              well these may seem obvious to the veterans but perhaps they may be helpful to newbies.

              great idea for an educational event


              • #8
                got an E at my first FEI event by misreading my xc start time. I was first on course on one horse and an hour and one half later on the next and misread the second start time by twenty mins. I got there 6 mins before my start and still eliminated me because they wern't loud enough in yelling out the order I still thought I had twenty mins and they came and told me I was eliminated because I was to go next. Big disapointment to prep a horse for a FEI event and travel for two days just to ride dressage, they wouldn't even let me just some stadium in the xc warmup because "E" riders are a hazard!!


                • #9
                  Well...they changed the rules while the mare was laid up and added that circling rule...well, I never read it *too* carefully, and decided to circle *after* the last fence at an unrec. HT last summer, as we were way faster than the optimum time...

                  I didn't get the big E, but I think I did get a nice 20 pt penalty, if I remember correctly...

                  Oh, yeah, and I think the same HT I went through the stadium start flags in my circle (yes, hunter flashback here too) and added several extra seconds to my time. It was not my best weekend, let's say...
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                  • #10
                    Stuff I have seen lately:

                    Not waiting for the bell/whistle in SJ (at the AECs too, poor girl)

                    Figuring out where the timers are so you don't accidentally false start

                    Jumping the warmup fence backward

                    Not double checking start times upon arrival

                    Leaving the ring in dressage (snotty little pony went right for the gate)

                    Unauthorized assistance. Make sure they know that they can ask for a leg up on XC, that someone can catch a loose horse, etc.

                    Rules on larking--not PC, but if you jump the wrong jump, you can circle around and jump the right one without penalty

                    The A/B versus seperately numbered obstacle issue (N not BN)

                    Proper tack--spurs, whip length, bits, martingales, etc

                    Leaving the course immediately when eliminated. I rode hunters, so when my eq horse stopped out, I tried to get him over the fence (I always taught not to let him get away with being naughty). Turns out some lady tried to beat her horse in a fit of rage after he stopped, and she ended up jumping a jump backward in SJ. She fell off, broke her back, and sued the USEA. So if you keep jumping after elimination, you can go ahead and write a $100 check for the TD

                    That's all I can think of right now.

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                    • #11
                      YES Remember to Jump the whole in and out if you have a refusal on the 2nd element! I was in 1 2 or 3 but instead I was eliminated! That was the last time I did an event! Not because of that however! But it was the best one I had ever been to, Aside from that!


                      • #12
                        The very first event I went to (just watching--and the start of getting hooked on the sport) a friend had a great x-c round. However, partway through her x-c run, her helmet harness broke (chin strap). She finished the ride with it that way and got the big "E". I thought that was a bit unfair--since it certainly wasn't her fault that she had "equipment failure" so to speak.


                        • #13
                          Riding your competition horse bareback!!!

                          I see it all the time, especially at 3DE's!

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                          • #14
                            <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by yventer:
                            Riding your competition horse bareback!!!

                            I see it all the time, especially at 3DE's!

                            Y </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

                            That's not permitted? I do it all the time, and have never been stopped!

                            At my first event, my horse jumped out of the dressage area, that was fun.

                            Before the new whip rule, a friend did her entire test, and upon her salute, the jugde kindly noted that she was eliminated for carrying a whip.

                            I got through a lovely test, the best with my horse, and upon the halt, I colapsed on to his neck, hugging him. The judge ruined the moment by reminding me to salute. She also gave me a 4 instead of an 8


                            • #15
                              I got 2 E's this year, 1 on each of my horses at the same event.
                              1- was for jumping jumps out of order (like *duh*)
                              2- I attempted an option and when my other horse stopped, I went and did the easier option instead. Apparently I can do this and it was a jump judge error. Unfortunatly I couldnt get it corrected without a formal complaint and that had a decent fee.

                              Dont exit the dressage arena during test, and I have also been E'd once for swearing (and one other time I turned around and apologised to the fence steward) so dont do that!


                              • #16
                                I didn't know that you could get eliminated for swearing! Thank goodness nobody heard me last weekend in stadium!
                                I got eliminated once for jumping a non-flagged obstacle on XC (the stupid little log was IN MY WAY!) You can opt to jump flagged jumps that are not on your course, but not unflagged ones. It was just a stupid log though!


                                • #17
                                  My favorite seems to be forgetting my dressage test (while riding it of course). Love that.


                                  • #18
                                    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by oskaar:
                                    Not waiting for the bell/whistle in SJ (at the AECs too, poor girl)

                                    Figuring out where the timers are so you don't accidentally false start

                                    So, in stadium, do you wait for a bell/whistle, or do you wait for the timer to start before starting? Or both? Will the bell ring before the timer starts? It seems to me that a rider would have too much else to be getting on with without worrying about if the clock has started? Oh, and do you have to salute in SJ? Lucky for me this thread came along before I do my first BN!
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                                    • #19
                                      This is a great thread, I have learned a lot.

                                      I have been eliminated for jumping the wrong jump on XC, so not knowing the course qualifies as a pretty stupid reason for the big E!
                                      When I pull on my boots, I know who I am


                                      • #20
                                        Once in stadium my horse stopped at a fence and as we turned away I gave him a whack with the crop. He responded to by leaping over another fence, getting us eliminated for jumping an obstacle in the wrong order .