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  • Bates w/interchangable gullet

    I am currently trying one of these jump saddles. I tried two different gullets and think I found one that works right. Rode my horse in it and I am not sure about it.

    Does anyone else have one of these? I ride a bunch of different horses and thought this might be a good idea. This horse is a bit green but is quiet. I felt like there may have been some "give" to the saddle. Like a little "shimmy" or something. Not sure if it felt absolutely stable. Do they normally feel this way? Not sure if it could have been the horse.

    I am going to try it again tomorrow. Just wondered what someone else's experience was like.

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    Tons of threads on this specific saddle, especially by Hampton... (Bay, I think- I'm blanking on the full name).
    I've got one. After 10 years of thinking it was fitting everything it DOESN'T fit my youngster, so I'm on the search for a different saddle and the Bates is up for sale. I love it, it's so soft and squishy, but it rocks (badly) on my mare, to varying degrees depending on which gullet I have in. At the moment the narrowest gullet is in, so there's no further adjustments available. Is rocking what you meant by shimmy?
    Apparently there are shims you can buy to make the fit better, but I'll look to that as a last resort. Also, make sure the Cair bags are fully inflated, if it's not wool flocked.

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    • #3
      I love my Bates Eventer.

      Check the CAIR panels; they are known to go bad. I bought mine and promptly had it reflocked with wool.

      I have never had anyother issues with mine. The interchangeable gullets are great.

      If you change between several horses a day, you may find changing the gullets over and over again will be a hassle though. In fact, Its easy when you do it 2 or 3 times a year any more than that I would consider a hassle. its not that easy !!

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      • #4
        I had one many years ago. Had a pro fitter reflock with wool, and he still never got it to fit my horse. (I wish I could find him now -- I'm old enough to demand my money back! ) It didn't fit my OTTB right, either, so I sold it. It always seemed a bit big on me, too. Make sure it fits at least one of your horses (and you) before you purchase.

        I don't remember it ever feeling unstable, though.

        I ride in Ansur now -- fits all three of my very differently shaped horses.
        "If you can't feed 'em, don't breed 'em."

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        • #5
          I ride a bunch of different horses and thought this might be a good idea.
          These saddles were not really designed with this sort of use in mind (ie gullet change with every ride) so if tree points break or tree fails, you might have difficulty with the manufacturer warranty - note if you reflock with wool etc, any warranty is voided.

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          • #6
            I have had the caprilli for about 8 years. I use to love it when I only had one horse. I started riding multiple horses a day and decided to invest in some of the gullet plates. I found it to be a huge in convenience and just this past week the fittings for the tree and gullets began seperating from the saddle. I just don't find it to be a hardy saddle. I will not be replacing it with another bates.
            http://secondwindequestrian.blogspot.com/

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            • #7
              Had another Bates model. I'm not a fan of the CAIR panels because my horse was very much NOT a fan! My saddle rocked on him, but I attribute that to poor fit and perhaps the shape of the panels.

              I also didn't like the leather. It was too slippery.

              It was comfortable.

              Interestingly, my neighbor at the barn had the jump version and he wasn't super happy with it. It looked great, but he just kept putting in narrower and narrower gullets and just didn't feel it was working well for his horse.

              I prefer a soft, wool-flocked or foam panel on my horses. I just have better luck with it.

              Edit: And I agree with posters who say it isn't so easy to change a gullet...
              Born under a rock and owned by beasts!

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              • #8
                I've got 3! Two flat seat jumping and one dressage. I ride and compete multiple horses so really need a couple going.

                I usually put the widest gullet in and pad for narrower horses. I have cair panels and haven't had any issues - and I use them on wide Irish crosses and narrow, young TBs.

                I do find that if I use a slightly wider gullet than the horse really needs, the horses tend to build more muscle behind the shoulder and along the back.

                The only thing I don't like is the narrow channel.

                I have other saddles too, and don't use these exclusively.

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