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  • Grooming question - Quarter marks

    Any tips on how to do them? I saw the stencil in Dover (squares or diamonds). Do they come with in structions? I have never done these but think they would be nice on my gelding.

  • #2
    I don't like the stencil ones, but they are easy. Just wet the hair slightly, place the stencil and brush the hair the wrong way with a little, stiff brush.

    I like doing the "freehand" ones with three blocks (I use a pulling comb) over the quarters and sharks' teeth on the stifle/haunch area. Looks COOL, and you can sort of customize it any way you want. It's easy to practice at home (Horse and Hound had an article on their website somewhere on how to do it a while ago) and looks awesome.
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    • #3
      1. Wet a sponge and draw it over your horse's hindquarters so they are wet/damp but not dripping.

      2. place the stencil where you want it, and hold it down with one hand.

      3. With the other hand, use a stiffish brush and brush the hair exposed by the squares/diamonds backwards, in the wrong direction. When you're done, the hair in the openings should be at a 90 degree angle to the hair that's left natural. (Does that make sense?)

      4. Carefully lift the stencil away, and you have quarter markings! Spray the he!! out of it with hairspray. If you forget the hairspray, do not use pepsi. Horseflies love pepsi. Ask me how I know this. (no, it wasn't me, but a barn-mate)

      Don't forget they're there when you're brushing your horse off right before entering the ring! If you do, you'll be cursing!

      I hope that made sense.
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      • #4
        I was taught by a former very UL groom that stencil quartermarks = . I think if there was an event groom's axis of evil, it would be shaved tails, stencils, and rubber band braids. (followed closely by the "glitter movement")

        In the traditional way... pull tails, sew in the braids, and draw your quartermarks by hand. Wet the quarters, make your pattern with a flea comb (I break apart the plastic ones to a 2" section), and use a small, med-stiff brush to do your "flashes" or "sharks teeth".

        I let the horse's butt decide what type of design to do. Some look best in checkerboard (works on many, but common), others diamond (delicate), or pyramid, or simple "racing stripes", 3 straight (big muscles, square-ish pelvis) or V (steeper croups).
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        • #5
          pics of these

          AJ
          anywhere I can see pics of these. I was going to do a crown over an M. But me thinks this gets back to your peeves....
          Last edited by Kick_On!; Aug. 1, 2008, 02:25 PM. Reason: typo
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            [QUOTE=EventerAJ;3406934] I was taught by a former very UL groom that stencil quartermarks = . I think if there was an event groom's axis of evil, it would be shaved tails, stencils, and rubber band braids. (followed closely by the "glitter movement")

            [QUOTE]

            Amen, sister!

            PS on quartermarks - you can use flyspray to wet the quarters instead of water - wets the area, keeps bugs off yer butt, plus it dries a little stickier than water which helps keep your pattern in good shape.

            Great tool is a those thin black plastic combs (about $0.59 at local drugstore) - measure about an inch (or 2, depending on your pattern) and break or cut.

            I'm working on this as an article for my 3-Day Grooms group at MyCOTH, but haven't finished yet. Will be there soon though, with photos! I did a really cool upside down paramid on From's butt at Rolex, can't find a photo right now though...

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            • #7
              I do a checkerboard with sharks teeth on my guy. I bought a fine tooth comb with a handle and cut it so it's 2" long. I wet the area and draw it on carefully. Then I do the sharks teeth with a small, med/stiff body brush.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by EventerAJ View Post
                I was taught by a former very UL groom that stencil quartermarks = . I think if there was an event groom's axis of evil, it would be shaved tails, stencils, and rubber band braids. (followed closely by the "glitter movement")

                In the traditional way... pull tails, sew in the braids, and draw your quartermarks by hand. Wet the quarters, make your pattern with a flea comb (I break apart the plastic ones to a 2" section), and use a small, med-stiff brush to do your "flashes" or "sharks teeth".

                I let the horse's butt decide what type of design to do. Some look best in checkerboard (works on many, but common), others diamond (delicate), or pyramid, or simple "racing stripes", 3 straight (big muscles, square-ish pelvis) or V (steeper croups).

                You are my hero! This is what GM and I are trying to bring back to our discipline, h/j, where the good old classic ways of doing things are almost gone.

                I recently pulled a tail for a local eventer and she couldn't BELIEVE how different it looked and how beautiful. She had only seen shaved tails up to that point.
                Laurie

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                • #9
                  Can someone explain or show a picture of shark's teeth? I'm not sure what this refers to.

                  Thanks!

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                    #10
                    Thanks for the information. I like the fly spray instead of the water suggestion. I'm glad I did not include the stencil in my last Dover order
                    It will be something new for the grooming sessions!

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                    • #11
                      Scroll through these pictures (there are some real cuties, even if they're not quite *** eventers yet!):

                      http://www.bspsscotland.co.uk/gallery.asp

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by EventerAJ View Post
                        I was taught by a former very UL groom that stencil quartermarks = . I think if there was an event groom's axis of evil, it would be shaved tails, stencils, and rubber band braids. (followed closely by the "glitter movement")

                        In the traditional way... pull tails, sew in the braids, and draw your quartermarks by hand. Wet the quarters, make your pattern with a flea comb (I break apart the plastic ones to a 2" section), and use a small, med-stiff brush to do your "flashes" or "sharks teeth".

                        I let the horse's butt decide what type of design to do. Some look best in checkerboard (works on many, but common), others diamond (delicate), or pyramid, or simple "racing stripes", 3 straight (big muscles, square-ish pelvis) or V (steeper croups).

                        More thumbs up for that!

                        I agree completely... the "freehand" quartermarks do take a bit longer then the stencils, but they look 100 times better.
                        Once you've pulled a tail (or mane) it takes very little time to maintain it... and looks so much nicer
                        -Jessica

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                        • #13
                          I wanted to find pics of sharks teeth, but I don't have any good ones on this computer. I also don't know a good way to describe the process so...

                          I did a quick google search for quarter marks and I found this article scanned onto a British message board:



                          http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y14...h/scan0001.jpg
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                          • #14
                            So how common is it for lower-level eventers to have quarter marks on their horses? Think they look right fancy, but I don't want to be a laughing stock at BN trotting around like I'm some four-star rider.
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                            • #15
                              I wouldn't do it at the lower levels unless it was a championship, but that's simply one person's opinion. If the horse is sparkling clean and otherwise turned out impeccably, by all means go ahead. I just hate seeing them slapped on (especially the stencil ones, yecch) on an otherwise scruffy horse.
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                              • #16
                                Re: level

                                My rule of thumb: shadbelly-elligible = quarter marks/pulled tail. Thus, prelim (CCI*) and above. It's a little overkill to be trotting around novice sporting the butt-marks. I guess the horse has to "earn his stripes". It's certainly not an outrageous fashion offense, though, and on some horses it can look cute. I knew a training horse who had a music-themed name who sported tasteful music notes on his hips. If it makes you ride better to have spots, stripes, or teeth on your horse's rear...well why not.

                                I also prefer to wait until prelim to pull the tail...mostly b/c I'm too lazy to keep up with it for a low-level horse. Just my personal preference; I nice pulled tail looks good at any level.
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                                • #17
                                  I was taught by the head groom for David O'Connor (or should I say former head groom since he's not doing so much competing nowdays). I do freehand diamond like patterns and sharks teeth on my training level horse. He's a bit scrawny (not so much anymore) so I do it to make his hindquarters look better.


                                  My way of thinking is this, as long as it doesn't look tacky, by all means go ahead, however it's a good way to "highlight" the muscles in the hindquarters or a good way to make them appear "fuller" so to speak.
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                                  • #18
                                    At the WEG in Spain, one of the Kiwis sported a Kiwi on one hip and a fern on the other accented by a light dusting of glitter that just caught the afternoon sunlight. I still remember that.

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                                    • #19
                                      Originally posted by EventerAJ View Post
                                      Re: level

                                      My rule of thumb: shadbelly-elligible = quarter marks/pulled tail. Thus, prelim (CCI*) and above. It's a little overkill to be trotting around novice sporting the butt-marks. I guess the horse has to "earn his stripes". It's certainly not an outrageous fashion offense, though, and on some horses it can look cute. I knew a training horse who had a music-themed name who sported tasteful music notes on his hips.
                                      When I groomed for Phyllis Dawson, she had a lot of horses going that were by I'm A Star - Starbound, Star Bright, Windstar, Sirius... and I used to do a very nice star on their hindquarters. I pretty much agree with Prelim and above, although I have helped out some very excited friends at their first or second events and done them, just for fun. So, in general, Prelim and above, unless it just makes you happy to have them and if so, then use them whenever!

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                                      • #20
                                        My trainer is very old school as well, and she too feels like the horse and rider have to earn them, though it isn't level specific in her opinion. I won't ever forget the day I came out to mount for my dressage test and discovered that while she was touching up his grooming, she had added quarter marks to his gleaming, very attractive (If I do say so myself ) butt.

                                        I cried. Yes, I was only going Novice, but still, it was her quiet way of acknowledging that I had finally paid my dues with this horse and that we had arrived -- novice was the level where we topped out before his retirement, so I would never have gotten to see him done up if I had waited until Prelim.

                                        It made for a very special dressage ride

                                        Libby (who almost always pulls tails, but is leaving Harvey's alone for now -- the mixed colors are too pretty to pull out!)
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