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  • Indoctro/Voltaire in eventing

    Hello,

    We got the opportunity to work with an Indoctro/Voltaire cross baby who is very green. Anyone have experience working with a green horse of this type for eventing?

    I'm just curious as to what people have experienced and how their babies turned out. So far ours has been a sweetheart on the ground and we've just started him under saddle.

    Anyone care to share their experiences/knowledge of this cross or either sires? I have googled but would love to hear some first hand accounts, the good, the bad and/or ugly!

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    Can't tell you about the personality or type of actual horses. But I can tell you about the very few Indoctros who have competed in eventing at the FEI level. Tim Lips rode an Indoctro daughter for several years. She is noted as retired in 2011 at the age of 8. She was almost exclusively a CIC horse, but she always finished in the top ten. Her name is Concrex Owaola.,

    Nina Ligon has Tokay by Indoctro. He's 11 this year and won the Bromont CCI 1* in 2010 and was 33 at Fair Hill (is that Elkton?) in the CCI 2*. Tim Lips has another one that he has recently gotten the ride on who has done very well at the CIC 2* level with another rider. Lips did a CCI 1* in 2010 and that's the last result I've been able to find with that horse.

    As damsire, none of his daughters have produced eventers, but they have produced many FEI jumpers.

    From the database that I use for results searches, my gut tells me that Indoctro for eventing, from a sample of about seven rather young ones--doesn't produce CCI horses nor does he produce 3* horses. It would appear from the very limited data that as the course gets longer, the Indoctros disappear. The results of the seven or so that I found indicate that he is wonderful for CIC 1 and 2*s All of his entrants at that level finished in the top ten when they finished.
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    • #3
      I know two Indoctro sons. Both are AMAZING jumpers, but I would not enjoy that type of ride for eventing. The one I rode was also fairly difficult to put together.
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      • #4
        I don't have any experience with Indoctro offspring but...

        A number of years ago (8?), a friend offered me some doses of Indoctro semen that he wasn't going to use. I liked the stallion's jumping videos just okay, although I knew he was very much an 'in' sire for jumpers.

        I emailed VDL to get their opinion of Indoctro for eventing. The guy who runs the place (forget his name) told me that he wouldn't recommend him for eventing or to TB or mostly-TB mares. He said you wouldn't get the movement (canter, gallop jump) you'd want.

        (The stallion he did recommend was Corland, 'for the gallop', and sure enough, Corland has sired some nice eventers. I really appreciate an honest stud owner. )

        Of course, you're working with horses that are already on the ground. If they're typical of Indoctros, you might want to instill a good 'forward' button and teach them to jump efficiently and forward.

        Have fun.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by vineyridge View Post
          Tim Lips rode an Indoctro daughter for several years. She is noted as retired in 2011 at the age of 8. She was almost exclusively a CIC horse, but she always finished in the top ten. Her name is Concrex Owaola.
          Tim Lips has another one that he has recently gotten the ride on who has done very well at the CIC 2* level with another rider. Lips did a CCI 1* in 2010 and that's the last result I've been able to find with that horse.
          When I worked at Tim's this spring, he spoke very highly of Owaola as far as riding goes, but IIRC, she was a holy terror on the ground. The other Indoctro gelding his has currently, Vakarlos, is very sweet on the ground and has a phenomenal jump. I remember watching him easily jump double clear over a 1.30 course just a week after running a 2*. I have honestly never sat on another horse with so much jumping power. He was very hot under saddle however.

          The Indoctro mare I worked with at a different breeding farm was nice enough, not the scopiest, but attractive and I think she would have been fun to event. She had a kind personality.
          I've also heard Indoctros are often heavy in the bridle, Tim's gelding wasn't, but she certainly was.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by JER View Post

            (The stallion he did recommend was Corland, 'for the gallop', and sure enough, Corland has sired some nice eventers. I really appreciate an honest stud owner. )
            Tim had a Corlandx Ahorn mare while I was there as well and she was such a great ride- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAtXS...layer_embedded

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            • #7
              Oh, and here is Tim's Indoctro gelding
              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQiJ4...ayer_embedded#!

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                #8
                You guys are fantastic - thank you for your insight and sharing.

                Our guy is a pleasure on the ground but haven't done under saddle work so far to know what kind of ride he will be. So far so good and we are having lots of fun!

                Thanks again.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Liebe-ist-Krieg View Post
                  Tim had a Corlandx Ahorn mare while I was there as well and she was such a great ride- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAtXS...layer_embedded
                  Nice mare!

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by JER View Post

                    (The stallion he did recommend was Corland, 'for the gallop', and sure enough, Corland has sired some nice eventers. I really appreciate an honest stud owner. )
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                    • #11
                      I owned an Indoctro/Voltaire stallion then gelding, a 3/4 brother to Orame. I couldn't think of a beast less suited to eventing. He made a nice hunter.

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