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  • Scarcity of eventing in N California

    I recently looked up all the recognized and schooling events I could find in CA, and let's just say there aren't that many nearby.

    Using San Francisco as a hub (a lot of barns surround the city and a lot of people live in/around it), aside from the Horsepark at Woodside (45 mins from SF) the next closest eventing place is Ram Tap in Fresno (a good 5 hours down the central valley from SF with trailer) then Twin Rivers - the same driving time but down the coast.

    Eventful Acres is out east in the foothills about 4 hours, (And Rancho Murieta used to be in the same area) but after that everything's 7-9 hours south. (I'm estimating Google's car travel time + an hour or two as I have not been to all locations)

    Admittedly coming from the UK I find this relative lack of events rather depressing, but I suppose it must be a factor of land prices and the enthusiasm for dressage and hunters instead. The cost to travel all these long distances (gas, time off work, extra stabling, hotel nights etc) puts a lot of people out of the running for competitions though.

    Looking at the map I see somewhat of a black hole, eventing-wise: I have not seen events held north of SF - Santa Rosa and beyond. Admittedly once you get into Mendocino there's less dense population, but does anyone think there's a market up there for an eventing facility?

    (And what if we had a "gateway" eventing competition? Dressage, hunter round, and then sort of a hunter derby? Might get people to cross over )
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    Originally posted by Xanthoria View Post
    I recently looked up all the recognized and schooling events I could find in CA, and let's just say there aren't that many nearby.

    Using San Francisco as a hub ...

    ...Eventful Acres is out east in the foothills about 4 hours
    It's between 2-3 hours to Eventful Acres FYI. I haul to the area regularly from the East Bay and it takes me 2.5 hours door to door (and 20 minutes of that is to get to I-80).

    Ram Tap is closer to 3.5 to 4 hours, Eventful Acres 4 hours.

    Still a long drive, and probably much longer if you live north of SF and have to go over the Golden Gate Bridge and down through SF. So I would not lump living north of San Francisco into a scarcity of eventing in "Northern California"

    That said, I get your point. Murieta has left a hole, and there used to be small events in Santa Rosa, but then the whole ordeal happened with the facility, there is no one to run them, and I guess the XC course has gone downhill.
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      There used to be a lovely event up in REALLY Northern California, in Fall River, in the late 80's/early 90's. Gorgeous place.
      There's plenty of open space once you get 3 or 4 hours north of the Bay Area. Or even just to Woodland; there are fabulous rolling hills all the way up the valley to Redding.
      Land, though, in California is really expensive. In order to have a facility for an event, you are looking at cattle ranches-which are highly overpriced according to the income a cow produces, or in other words a reasonable return rate on the income production value of the land. In the valley (San Joaquin or Sacramento) you are looking at really high value orchard or vineyard land. The good news is that you could have a cross country course and cattle grazing at the same time, as long as you could use electric fence to keep the cattle off the jumps, and you either own the cattle or can work with the owner in terms of grazing the area when there is no event!

      I like your idea of 'gateway' shows. Hunter derbies are super popular right now, and the idea of getting good mileage would probably appeal to a lot of hunter riders.

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        Originally posted by Perfect Pony View Post
        It's between 2-3 hours to Eventful Acres FYI. I haul to the area regularly from the East Bay and it takes me 2.5 hours door to door (and 20 minutes of that is to get to I-80).
        Yeah I was using SF as my starting point and EA is 3 hours by car, so I'd allow 4+ with a trailer. YMMV - literally!

        I know someone with 90 acres of land in Mendocino, including a shallow, gravel-bottomed river/creek. Would be so perfect for an event! But of course would require building all sorts of arenas, stalls and so on...
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          Originally posted by Xanthoria View Post
          Yeah I was using SF as my starting point and EA is 3 hours by car, so I'd allow 4+ with a trailer. YMMV - literally!

          I know someone with 90 acres of land in Mendocino, including a shallow, gravel-bottomed river/creek. Would be so perfect for an event! But of course would require building all sorts of arenas, stalls and so on...
          I doubt Mendocino would get much interest as it's a long drive even for Marin/Sonoma. I think what we really need are more events and facilities on the 80 and 580 corridors (Davis area and Livermore area). It would also be really nice to have a facility in the Sonoma area, maybe a cross country course in a field out near Riverside, we already have the great show facilities there!

          btw, Chocolate Horse used to have combined tests, a derby type show would be great there.
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            My thought was that if people are already ready to travel 4-9 hours south or east, then 4-5 hours north wouldn't be unreasonable at all. This spot is about 2 hours from Petaluma - the Horsepark is 1.5 hous the other way (in a car.)

            Marin/Sonoma/Davis would be sweet! With land prices in those areas I doubt that'll happen soon though

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              I have to travel 2.5 to 5 hours for my events. And, most of ours are recognized events only...Actually, it's either 2.5 or 4.5+ hours, nothing in the medium range.

              But, there are a lot. 15 or so. And, I don't have to deal wth that much traffic.

              Clinics, same thing.

              I can imagine it's frustating thought to live in Northern California and not have stuff closer...

              I however, have to drive 2+ hours to reach civilization.
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                Originally posted by Xanthoria View Post
                My thought was that if people are already ready to travel 4-9 hours south or east, then 4-5 hours north wouldn't be unreasonable at all. This spot is about 2 hours from Petaluma - the Horsepark is 1.5 hous the other way (in a car.)
                But I don't think you will get the turnout to make it worth while. Yes, you will get the Petaluma and north people, but the competition wont be there. People in the South/East and Sacramento areas will still chose to go to Woodside/TR/Ram Tap instead.
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                  At least you have events that are remotely close to you. The closest event for us is 5 hrs away, and that only goes to preliminary. For the upper levels the closest event is 12 hours away, that would be woodside. Everything else is between 12-19 hours away. Unfortunately events come and go. Yes, it sucks having to travel, but that is what happens when you live on the west coast.
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                    There's also Camelot up in the Chico area. They aren't currently running recognized events, but I wouldn't be surprised if that was the direction that they were pushing. They've put in a wonderful water complex and every time I've been there it's been quite fun.

                    I wish someone would light a fire under the management group at Murieta Equine Complex to at VERY least reopen the XC course for schooling if not start running some unrecognized events. I can't recall when they stopped hosting events there, but they seem to be keeping the XC course at least somewhat maintained.

                    Somewhat related to MEC, it's also a shame that Pebble Beach doesn't run events any longer. Tim Postel is involved in the management of MEC now so he's not unfamiliar with Eventer's needs.

                    Twin Palms is a very nice place to go school - lots of fences of all sizes but I'm not sure about the parking. Twin Palms could be a great place for a "Welcome To The Darkside" clinic sort of thing for HJ crossovers.

                    There is Jack Rabbit Flats in Dixon, but I've never been - that might be another place for Welcome-To-Eventing type events.

                    LoneTree has some fun Hunter Paces and events through the year - a long drive, but certainly worthwhile.

                    One of the problems in getting facilities to run Events though is certainly the money. For arguably less effort you can make far more money per competitor running a rated H/J show. However, more and more people are getting priced out at H/J shows ($200 in nonsense fees before even getting one class on the sheet), so it may be a good time to start pushing for more unrated events.

                    Supporting the sites that are running unrecognized events is really key - as those events grow and hopefully transition in to recognized events, some other sites might look to get in on the Eventing game again. MEC might be worth a shot if someone's got the know how and heart to pour in to getting an Event running there again.

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                    • #11
                      UC Davis Equestrian Center has schooling shows; I think there's one in the fall and a couple in the spring, but I'm not positive on that. They're pretty terrible about advertising them online, but if you call the office they should have a schedule.

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                        The Woodland Stallion Station is in the process of putting in a xc course (Rod Hisken is helping them design) and are planning to hold unrecognized events next year. It's a shame that we have to travel so far to compete, but at least there are some places to get lower-level miles.

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                          "Back in the day" there was Wild Horse Valley Ranch in Napa with divisions through advanced. They used to hold long format 3 days there too I believe. Also as someone mentioned, Pebble Beach. The xc was on a very small piece of land but across the street from the ocean so very unique. Just over 10 years ago there was American Valley run by kristi & randy Nunnink. Loved that event. It was in the Sierra Nevadas, beautiful with open meadows and hilly wooded parts to the course. I was really sad to lose that event. It was a hike from the bay area or anywhere else, but really worth it. Reaching far into the past...Lily Glen in southern OR (Ashland)- not N Cal but a lot of Californians went there.

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                            Ahhhh, Wild Horse, Lily Glen and way way back, the Mt. Diablo Trail Ride Association had a recognized event! Not a lot of open galloping, but the terrain was fun and the views beautiful!

                            I used to board at Woodland Stallion Station some 20 years ago...I was one of two riders who rode english. Always thought all that land in wine grapes was a waste, now I am glad to see they are putting it to good use with a XC course!

                            So sorry to hear about Murrieta...it was always a nice event.....

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                              On the bright side, at least we have Woodside in our backyard And the lovely schooling XC facility at RDLA.

                              Gilroy Gaits is reputed to put in a XC course - but I won't hold my breath on that. Would be awesome though!

                              Have you done the schooling HTs at Moss Beach Ranch? I haven't been, but at least there are some fun, unrecognized events around here.

                              I've always wanted to try EA and TPs. Love Lone Tree!

                              I'd say my favorite XC course around here is at Piers Ranch in Portola Valley. Soooo fun! Just did the Hunter Pace with Los Altos Hounds there on Saturday Where were you?????
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                                Sad to see so many events gone! I started eventing in the mid 1990’s back then we went to:

                                Wild Horse – Napa (Favorite! Beautiful, loved it) – GONE
                                Murrieta – Rancho Marietta - GONE
                                Pebble Beach – Monterey – GONE
                                American Valley – Sierras – GONE
                                Lilly Glen – Ashland OR – GONE (I remember the last event when the water got too high!)
                                CTETA (Now the Woodside Horse Park) – Still here and much improved.
                                Ram Tap – Fresno – Still around!
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                                • #17
                                  Originally posted by Appsolute View Post
                                  Sad to see so many events gone! I started eventing in the mid 1990’s back then we went to:

                                  Wild Horse – Napa (Favorite! Beautiful, loved it) – GONE
                                  Murrieta – Rancho Marietta - GONE
                                  Pebble Beach – Monterey – GONE
                                  American Valley – Sierras – GONE
                                  Lilly Glen – Ashland OR – GONE (I remember the last event when the water got too high!)
                                  CTETA (Now the Woodside Horse Park) – Still here and much improved.
                                  Ram Tap – Fresno – Still around!
                                  Hey Apps - did you ever school XC or go to the Horse Trial (schooling/fun) at Windance in Pescadero? Gale Wong used to have a nice XC course on her farm and she used to hold a schooling Horse Trial every Halloween, plus XC camps, etc. She has let the XC course go, though, as I schooled there for her Ladies XC Camp a couple months ago and many/most of the XC jumps were not being maintained.
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                                  • #18
                                    Welcome to my world. The difference is I live in West TX, and have no other life (other than kids and job)!!

                                    Nearest event is 4.5 hours. Then 5.5, 7, 8, 10, and 12 hours.

                                    AND the nearest eventing trainer is just as far.

                                    Gotta love it when you live where we do and have to drive so far.
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                                    • #19
                                      Back in the early 90's I boarded and worked at Wild Horse when I got my first horse. LOVED it there and it was amazing to watch the transformation every time a show was hosted and the mare pastures were converted into the stabling areas across from my geldings pasture.

                                      They are working on building the California Equestrian Park in Sonoma County
                                      http://www.cepec.us/eventsfacilities.htm
                                      The facilities will include arenas, coliseum, pavilion, polo field, cross country course, driving course, trails, galloping track, museum, restaurants, conference center, shops, picnic areas, campgrounds, education facility, surgery and imaging centers, and a farrier shop. CEPEC is also working with the American Red Cross to create an emergency mega-shelter for horses and people.

                                      There is Jack Rabbit Flats in Dixon for schooling. http://jackrabbitflats.net/
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                                      Twin Palms Combined Training in Loomis: www.twinpalmscombinedtraining.com
                                      Lovely facility! My coming 4 year old is going there in the spring to be started over fences.

                                      Lone Tree hosts some schooling events as mentioned. So does Camelot up near Chico.

                                      Somerset in Winters has a cross country course you can haul in and pay a use fee for.
                                      https://sites.google.com/site/somers...country-course

                                      Hiskens in Grass Valley. Twin Rivers and Ram Tap are quite a haul from up here.

                                      UC Davis hosts a derby twice a year, usually in April and November.

                                      It would be wonderful if they could open up MEC again. I miss Wild Horse. I know the facility is leased out to Natalie Rooney Pitts now by Kenzo and she runs her barn out of there. Not sure if there is haul in available to use the course or what kind of shape it is in.
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                                        I'm not an eventer (far from it actually) but I've lived up in Mendocino county for the past 40+ years. We are sorely lacking in ALL things horse related....shows, clinics, trainers, etc. That wasn't always the case but somehow in the last 10-15 years everything has disappeared and the only events I see locally are rodeos, barrel races and team pennings......none of which I'm interested in and neither are the few serious horse friends I have. We sometimes travel to Lake county for thrice yearly dressage clinics by a clinician who travels 4+ hours to get to us. Several years back there was a multi day, large (for our area) and very well run driving show put on by an outside driving group which we all enjoyed very much. We'd love to have other events held up here and attract a much higher level of equestrian than what I see out there currently but sounds like we're too out of the way and out of the loop at this point. Frustrating.

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