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  • Great article/interview on MLM

    I didn't want to post this in trenches over on the thread on Olympic horses being bought and not made because I felt this deserved it's own. I have followed Marilyn's story since she decided to turn Udonna into an eventer with mild interest, and every time I read an article or an interview I grow more respect for her ambition and drive. I have no problem with her money. Do I wish I had her money? Of course! But the fact that she is able to do what she loves and the fact that she is doing good things for the sport by bring more attention to it (all publicity is good publicity, yes?) is good enough for me. Looking forward to seeing her first 4* venture at Rolex, it sounds like that is what she is headed for!

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    I liked her article too, and liked the way she talked about the horse and why she chose her.

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    • #3
      ew. I did not like that article at all! I feel like the author made the eventing world out to be like a bunch of catty sorority girls (and I'm a sorority girl so that means a lot )
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      • #4
        Agree with Meredith, for the most part. Weird to have so much focus on jealousy.

        Also, a statement like 'the United States' appalling breeding program' is, well, appalling.

        While we don't have a national breeding program a la Haras Nationaux in France, there are breeders of quality event horses in this country. Maybe not enough of them, but 'appalling' is an unfair characterization.

        As I said to John privately, I think the US is lacking in event riders with a good eye for a future top horse and/or a decent knowledge of breeding and bloodlines.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by JER View Post
          Weird to have so much focus on jealousy.
          Not if you read COTH forum in Eventing! All the silly threads about this or that newbie, young, monied, blah blah blah eventer. Jealousy is alive and very abundant all over these forums. EN asked MLM directly about her critics. You can find loads of those critics piling on the venom right here! So sad and silly

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          • #6
            Originally posted by JER View Post
            Agree with Meredith, for the most part. Weird to have so much focus on jealousy.

            Also, a statement like 'the United States' appalling breeding program' is, well, appalling.

            While we don't have a national breeding program a la Haras Nationaux in France, there are breeders of quality event horses in this country. Maybe not enough of them, but 'appalling' is an unfair characterization.

            As I said to John privately, I think the US is lacking in event riders with a good eye for a future top horse and/or a decent knowledge of breeding and bloodlines.

            Agree 100%. I was disappointed with the article. I felt like every paragraph had some sort of ding, either at MLM, breeders, professionals, or eventers as a whole.
            You know you're a horse person when your mother, who has no grandchildren, gets cards addressed to Grandma, signed by the horses, cats, and dogs.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Meredith Clark View Post
              ew. I did not like that article at all! I feel like the author made the eventing world out to be like a bunch of catty sorority girls (and I'm a sorority girl so that means a lot )
              I'm glad you said that. It seemed like a brown-nosing suck up fluff piece at best to be completely honest. I'm not a MLM hater. I think it's great for her if she can acquire nice horses and I think she's a fantastic rider who recognized that her original horse wasn't quite the horse to get her where she wanted to go, but I also don't think she's the 2nd coming of Jesus Christ on horseback.

              It doesn't make eventers petty to ask questions when someone proclaims to go about doing things in a timeframe that seems unrealistic for their intended final result. It also doesn't make eventers jealous for asking if maybe she's trying to buy her way on an Olympic team. It seems she wasn't going to make it to the Olympics in the SJ, or that she was even trying to do so, but maybe she felt she could have a chance to do so in eventing. As many people have stated, you can buy as many talented horses as you want, but if you can't ride them, it does you no good. Clearly, MLM can ride her horses so kudos to her for going after whatever she wants.
              Rhode Islands are red;
              North Hollands are blue.
              Sorry my thoroughbreds
              Stomped on your roo. Originally Posted by pAin't_Misbehavin' :

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              • #8
                Ahem, by the way, the Chronicle has also covered the news...

                http://www.chronofhorse.com/article/...european-horse

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Justa Bob View Post
                  Not if you read COTH forum in Eventing! All the silly threads about this or that newbie, young, monied, blah blah blah eventer. Jealousy is alive and very abundant all over these forums.
                  Oh, I guess I should read these forums more often.

                  The response to MLM on this BB has been overwhelmingly positive from the start. There were legit questions about the brashness of her first video and whether her stated goals were realistic with Udonna. But -- with few exceptions -- posters have applauded and supported MLM's efforts in a new discipline.

                  There are a few people who revel in envy. We all know who they are. But they're less than a handful in number.

                  What surprised me about the EN interview was that an eventing media outlet would put so much focus on jealousy. Not an interesting topic, IMO, especially in light of the real news of a new, promising horse.

                  And as I've been saying all along, my biggest issue with the whole affair was that a CCI*** stopper (20 XC jumping pens at the most recent two CCI***s is not a positive trend. Neither is a history of rails and time in SJ.) is somehow being hailed as a 'major Olympic contender' for the US. Seriously.

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                  • #10
                    And they did it without inferring their readers were petty and jealous people who breed worthless horses. Imagine that!
                    Rhode Islands are red;
                    North Hollands are blue.
                    Sorry my thoroughbreds
                    Stomped on your roo. Originally Posted by pAin't_Misbehavin' :

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Molly Sorge View Post
                      Ahem, by the way, the Chronicle has also covered the news...

                      http://www.chronofhorse.com/article/...european-horse
                      Now that I liked! It's so sad about Kooreman selling her and how emotional he was, but I guess that's horse business
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by RacetrackReject View Post
                        And they did it without inferring their readers were petty and jealous people who breed worthless horses. Imagine that!
                        John deserves a lot of credit for creating and building Eventing Nation. It's a very different outlet than Chronicle of the Horse but it's a vibrant and vital part of our community.

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                        • #13
                          For some of you statistical types - how many American horses that were bred to be eventers/jumpers are competing currently at the 3 and 4 Star levels? This question obviously doesn't include OTTBs.

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                          • #14
                            Comparing the COTH and EN articles, even though I preferred the COTH piece, I have to applaud John for bringing the jealousy issue right out in the open. Who can realistically deny that it is a reality? Yikes, not long ago, Nina got totally flamed for having the family means to purchase some nice horses to learn on.

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                            • #15
                              flutie1For some of you statistical types - how many American horses that were bred to be eventers/jumpers are competing currently at the 3 and 4 Star levels? This question obviously doesn't include OTTBs.

                              My observation:
                              Back in the dark ages I trained/boarded with folks who were breeding event (sport) horses of the Cormac line. One homebred was long-listed (really and truely long-listed) another competed to 2* level with several young riders. Other homebreds competed to up to Advance level with student/owners. The problem is finding someone willing to buy a well-bred horse under 3 to train themselves or willing to shell out the money for a 4+ yo with solid under saddle training from someone they know. Many prefer to buy from another trainer/barn or area or country. I watched it time and time again at that barn and at other barns with breeding programs.

                              I would be interested to hear what sort of history Denny and Bruce have had with their breeding programs over the years.
                              "Never do anything that you have to explain twice to the paramedics."
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                              • #16
                                Originally posted by flutie1 View Post
                                Comparing the COTH and EN articles, even though I preferred the COTH piece, I have to applaud John for bringing the jealousy issue right out in the open. Who can realistically deny that it is a reality? Yikes, not long ago, Nina got totally flamed for having the family means to purchase some nice horses to learn on.
                                How many eventers are there total in the US? How many eventers post jealous rants about MLM on the internet? I'm guessing the answer to that second question is fairly low compared to the answer to the first question. So, why risk the possibility of alienating your "customers" when really you are only speaking of a small percentage of the population you just painted with a rather broad brush?
                                Rhode Islands are red;
                                North Hollands are blue.
                                Sorry my thoroughbreds
                                Stomped on your roo. Originally Posted by pAin't_Misbehavin' :

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                                • #17
                                  I thought Molly wrote a great article and frankly I preferred it to mine but I certainly don't regret raising the issues of jealousy and the state of US breeding. This story is interesting in that the response to the purchase is in my opinion just as significant as the purchase itself. Negative public responses to stories like this reach out to impact not only the riders and their families but also the owners and efforts to syndicate the horses and ultimately the direction of US high performace eventing. As with any issue, there are many good and many bad reasons to either support or dislike the news.

                                  There's an opportunity here to look at whether or not it is right for a rider to buy an expensive horse from Europe and what that says about the US breeding program. As I replied to JER privately, "the United States' appalling breeding program" was way too broad of a statement and certainly a poor choice of words. There are clearly many fabulous breeders in the US, including JER, who we have featured on EN. However, such a large number of high profile European purchases by US riders suggests what most of us already know--that Europe is ahead of the US in terms of overall top to bottom breeding of high performance event horses. To say that suggesting jealousy is a component of the negative reaction insults anyone who reads the post just doesn't make sense.
                                  Last edited by J3D1; Dec. 6, 2011, 04:18 PM. Reason: last sentence added
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                                  • #18
                                    To the best of my knowledge, the Little family have handled themselves well for multiple decades in the horse world.

                                    MLM "plan" to do a 4* in 12 months was ambious at best. She showed intelligence by understanding fairly quickly that Udonna was not happy eventing and replacing her with horses who do enjoy eventing. I don't know if she will qualify for Rolex or not, alot can happen between now and then. She does appear to have more respect for this discipline and is ready to put in the work.
                                    I am not offended by her staying at the upper levels. She has enough experience to handle prelim and above - much like old school eventing where Training level was considered the entry level.
                                    "Never do anything that you have to explain twice to the paramedics."
                                    Courtesy my cousin Tim

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                                    • #19
                                      Originally posted by J3D1 View Post
                                      I thought Molly wrote a great article and frankly I preferred it to mine but I certainly don't regret raising the issues of jealousy and the state of US breeding. This story is interesting in that the response to the purchase is in my opinion just as significant as the purchase itself. Negative public responses to stories like this reach out to impact not only the riders and their families but also the owners and efforts to syndicate the horses and ultimately the direction of US high performace eventing. As with any issue, there are many good and many bad reasons to either support or dislike the news.

                                      There's an opportunity here to look at whether or not it is right for a rider to buy an expensive horse from Europe and what that says about the US breeding program. As I replied to JER privately, "the United States' appalling breeding program" was way too broad of a statement and certainly a poor choice of words. There are clearly many fabulous breeders in the US, including JER, who we have featured on EN. However, such a large number of high profile European purchases by US riders suggests what most of us already know--that Europe is ahead of the US in terms of overall top to bottom breeding of high performance event horses.
                                      I believe Europe is ahead of the US in terms of promoting their stock. There is truely wonderful US event horses. But it is really "sexy" to ride a horse bred/purchased from GB/Europe/Australia/NZ, not so much from the breeder in NC or GA or NH or PA. . .
                                      "Never do anything that you have to explain twice to the paramedics."
                                      Courtesy my cousin Tim

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                                      • #20
                                        Originally posted by fooler View Post
                                        I believe Europe is ahead of the US in terms of promoting their stock. There is truely wonderful US event horses. But it is really "sexy" to ride a horse bred/purchased from GB/Europe/Australia/NZ, not so much from the breeder in NC or GA or NH or PA. . .
                                        And they appear to have much more "involved" governing bodies, registries, and governments. To me that means access to more money. That's not something I feel is available in this country... here the U.S. breeding program seems to rest on "individuals" not groups.

                                        What I found was interesting about the COTH article was that KO asked MLM to find her a horse.
                                        You know you're a horse person when your mother, who has no grandchildren, gets cards addressed to Grandma, signed by the horses, cats, and dogs.

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