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  • irish fans - Stallion for irish mare

    Tried in the breeding forum but didn't get much feedback. Toying with producing an IDSH out of my Irish Draught mare. WB or TB but must be fresh - she doesn't take with frozen. She is by the great RID stallion Mountain Pearl (sire of Free and Clear once ridden by Phillip Dutton).

    So for those who like the Irish, who would be your pick to see as your horses sire?

    Pics of mare
    http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y27...rryPearl-2.jpg

    http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y27...derryPtrot.jpg
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    No real "expert" here, but we've been breeding TB/Draft (Clyde) crosses for over 30 years and now are breeding ISH horses with a 1/2 TB/1/2 Rid, Seattle Blues (Touch of the Blues) stallion on our TB (Puchi's Rambo) mares. I've never ridden a pure RID, but prefer the 1/2 TB. We have two 3/4 TB - ISH fillies, one is a two year old out of a 1/2 TB - ISH mare by Jagged Illusion (TB) and the suckling is by the 1/2 TB - ISH stallion out of a TB mare. Both are fantastic. Athletic, good movers, substantial bone, but not at all coarse and fabulous dispositions.
    I guess it depends on what your goals are with the foal. Being a TB Lover, I think the TB ads more refinement and energy with a good brain, but I've never used WB's as crosses.
    Love the looks of your mare!!!
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    Breeders of Painted Thoroughbreds and Uniquely Painted Irish Sport Horses in Northeast Oklahoma

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    • #3
      Since you are in PA...how about Mary Hazzard's TB stallion Mystic Replica?

      http://www.lanefieldfarm.com/mysticreplica.htm
      ** Tact is the ability to tell someone to go to hell in such a way that they look forward to the trip. ~Winston Churchill? **

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      • #4
        Originally posted by bornfreenowexpensive View Post
        Since you are in PA...how about Mary Hazzard's TB stallion Mystic Replica?

        http://www.lanefieldfarm.com/mysticreplica.htm
        Agree wholeheartedly. If I had a pure RID, I'd want to cross with a TB. For sport horses, that doesn't leave you a huge universe of "proven" stallions; but if you are willing to go with a former racer, there are some good ones in Pennsylvania.

        Aberjack isn't full, and he's been moved to California, but he is 7/8ths TB, and the leading eventing sire at the moment.

        RIDs are so big and often clunky, that breeding to a WB might get you a tank because most WBs do carry tank genes.
        "I'm a lumberjack, and I'm okay."
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        • #5
          Would you be interested in getting a 3/4 Irish horse? If you bred to an ISH??

          Acorn Hill Farm is very notable in breeding ISH. Pallas Digion and Carlow Clover are fabulous stallions.

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          • #6
            Ok. So no one much knows about this horse, but his off-spring are winning ribbons everywhere, they have amazing jump, most notably, their attitudes are amazing as well. He is ish, but half tb, and crosses amazing with both Irish and TBs. His name is Flagmounts Freedom, and he stands at Janet Mardens. He is currently being ridden by a 14 year old trying to qualify for YR.

            And she is keeping his fee reasonable!
            May the sun shine on you daily, and your worries be gone with the wind.
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            • #7
              (I know very little about breeding. I just know what I like).

              Like the Mystic Replica idea. What about Salute the Truth? I have the pleasure of seeing a lot of his babies every weekend, and they are all lovely. Tend toward the big side (but not all), but they all seem to be good/great movers and good/great jumpers. I've seen a variety of crosses, from full TBs, to WB crosses, and I tried hard to see an Anglo Arab cross of his this past winter that I loved in pics and videos.

              What about Bruce Davidson's nice young stallion? http://www.brucedavidsoneventing.com...elticLion.html Would that make the baby too heavy? He's a handsome fellow!
              Amanda

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                #8
                Originally posted by yellowbritches View Post
                (I know very little about breeding. I just know what I like).

                What about Bruce Davidson's nice young stallion? http://www.brucedavidsoneventing.com...elticLion.html Would that make the baby too heavy? He's a handsome fellow!
                I'm hoping to make a Keltic Lion (he is handsome) with the irish on bottom. I got a nice colt this year with Gatsby who is 1/2 TB (Hawaii/Seattle Slew lines) out of my RIDSH mare. So I am looking at TB or WB like Gatsby with good TB lines
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by horsetales View Post
                  I'm hoping to make a Keltic Lion (he is handsome) with the irish on bottom. I got a nice colt this year with Gatsby who is 1/2 TB (Hawaii/Seattle Slew lines) out of my RIDSH mare. So I am looking at TB or WB like Gatsby with good TB lines

                  With your mare I would like Mystic Replica. But another one I would consider would be the Selle Francias stallion Edelweiss du Bonce. He has quite a lot of blood in his pedigree. Good jumping lines and he competed through GP dressage. His offspring look quite nice.

                  http://www.avalon-equine.com/edelweiss-de-bonce.html


                  How tall is your mare? What are you looking to produce....eventer, dressage, jumper? I'm assuming eventer.
                  ** Tact is the ability to tell someone to go to hell in such a way that they look forward to the trip. ~Winston Churchill? **

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                  • #10
                    I'm am voting for A Fine Romance if you want full TB. Known for producing wonderful horses sound in mind and body.

                    http://www.afineromance.ca/afineromance.html



                    Also consider Gatsby. His is 1/2 TB, 1/2 Hanoverian- might be a good stallion choice if you want a little WB in there..


                    foxdalefarm.us


                    Like both these stallions for drafty type mares.

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                    • #11
                      Just saw you've already bred to Gatsby.. Let's see pics of the foal!

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by bornfreenowexpensive View Post
                        With your mare I would like Mystic Replica. But another one I would consider would be the Selle Francias stallion Edelweiss du Bonce. He has quite a lot of blood in his pedigree. Good jumping lines and he competed through GP dressage. His offspring look quite nice.

                        http://www.avalon-equine.com/edelweiss-de-bonce.html


                        How tall is your mare? What are you looking to produce....eventer, dressage, jumper? I'm assuming eventer.
                        Well thanks so much BFNE... that EDB is one fancy guy but then I got bored and started clicking things. Next thing you know, I'm sitting here fantasizing about a spotted Fred grandbaby by This Guy .

                        I blame you, BFNE

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by bornfreenowexpensive View Post
                          With your mare I would like Mystic Replica. But another one I would consider would be the Selle Francias stallion Edelweiss du Bonce. He has quite a lot of blood in his pedigree. Good jumping lines and he competed through GP dressage. His offspring look quite nice.

                          http://www.avalon-equine.com/edelweiss-de-bonce.html


                          How tall is your mare? What are you looking to produce....eventer, dressage, jumper? I'm assuming eventer.
                          She is 17 hands, so a stallion in the 16s would be ideal. I want to keep or improve her good movement for either the dressage phase in eventing or for dressage alone, but still keep the Irish jump

                          KC this is the Gatsby baby (sold to an eventing home :-) )
                          http://s7.photobucket.com/albums/y27...ddy8-11-11.jpg
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                          • #14
                            Horsetails, I saw your thread in Sporthorse breeding but thought you were looking for an Irish stallion. I don't know how Bravo (an 'O4' model) would match with your mare but I'm having a $1,000 special on Bravo, 2** premium stallion ( with Oldenburg NA) until Oct. 1st which includes first collection, shipment, booking and LFG.

                            Numerous site champions, premiums and show winners on the ground.

                            Just finished his prelim requirements in eventing and is moving up to CCI*. 2012 he'll make his debut in Intermediate.

                            Recent show record http://useventing.com/competitions.p...orse_id=135036

                            Recent videos
                            Dressage -http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qa93ckrdGmI

                            Stadium- [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmbCl2-UUuM

                            Cross Country- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vk55w3MLZBw

                            Happy stallion shopping. There's a lot of really nice ones out there.
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                            Chris Misita
                            www.hiddenvalleyfarms.net Home of Bravo and Warrick!
                            To dare; progress comes at this price. All sublime conquests are, more or less, the rewards of daring.
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                            • #15
                              What about Windfall -- a Trak with lots of blood?

                              And his eventing capacities and offspring's eventing capacities cannot be faulted.

                              Fresh semen available and approved ISH.

                              http://www.newspringfarm.com/windfall/index.html
                              Nothing with horses is ever easy or cheap. And if it is, you're doing it wrong. They always rip out part of your soul when they leave. I guess that's how they find us later.

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                              • #16
                                You should have checked out the article I had here and in the breeding forum. Even William Micklem suggests A Fine Romance as a horse that would cross well on Irish mares for event breeding.

                                Terri
                                COTH, keeping popcorn growers in business for years.

                                "I need your grace to remind me to find my own." Snow Patrol-Chasing Cars. This line reminds me why I have horses.

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                                • #17
                                  Originally posted by seeuatx View Post
                                  Well thanks so much BFNE... that EDB is one fancy guy but then I got bored and started clicking things. Next thing you know, I'm sitting here fantasizing about a spotted Fred grandbaby by This Guy .

                                  I blame you, BFNE

                                  LOL. Yeah that spotted guy is very cute and supposedly he has a fantastic personality too.
                                  ** Tact is the ability to tell someone to go to hell in such a way that they look forward to the trip. ~Winston Churchill? **

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                                  • #18
                                    Originally posted by horsetales View Post
                                    She is 17 hands, so a stallion in the 16s would be ideal. I want to keep or improve her good movement for either the dressage phase in eventing or for dressage alone, but still keep the Irish jump

                                    KC this is the Gatsby baby (sold to an eventing home :-) )
                                    http://s7.photobucket.com/albums/y27...ddy8-11-11.jpg

                                    For WB...I bred my big mare to Donarweiss who stands at Hilltop. He is full WB and really dressage bred but also has a nice jump. Wonderful personality and mind. His offspring are looking lovely out of different types of mares plus the people at Hilltop are great to work with.

                                    http://www.hilltopfarminc.com/stalli...weiss_ggf.html

                                    He might be one to think about who is a bit more out of the box. But I bred to him for a dressage horse ( but one that might want to jump) not for a UL event horse. If you want an UL event horse....I think you need to stick with full TB.
                                    ** Tact is the ability to tell someone to go to hell in such a way that they look forward to the trip. ~Winston Churchill? **

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                                    • #19
                                      Originally posted by bornfreenowexpensive View Post
                                      If you want an UL event horse....I think you need to stick with full TB.
                                      I completely agree with this.

                                      The traditional cross of a TB stallion on an IDSH mare is a very proven one, and that cross often produces a substantial horse in terms of size (like this one).

                                      Some WBs cross well with IDSH but I'd want to see examples on both sides of the family.

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                                      • #20
                                        Wow that's a wonderful horse. How tall are the fences JER?
                                        Chris Misita
                                        www.hiddenvalleyfarms.net Home of Bravo and Warrick!
                                        To dare; progress comes at this price. All sublime conquests are, more or less, the rewards of daring.
                                        Victor Hugo

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